Whoa whoa whoa! Taxpayers bailout bond insurers?

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by Eliot Hosewater, Jan 29, 2008.

  1. What are they trying to sneak in here? Read the statement in bold by Independent Strategy about 1/2 way down.


    Bond Insurers May Lose AAA Ratings Before They Get Bailout Plan

    By John Glover

    Jan. 29 (Bloomberg) -- Bond insurers led by MBIA Inc. and Ambac Financial Group Inc. may lose their top AAA ratings before they benefit from any rescue plan.

    The bond insurance industry stands to lose $41 billion on securities linked to subprime and other mortgages, according to JPMorgan Chase & Co. analysts. Efforts by New York Insurance Superintendent Eric Dinallo, 44, for a $15 billion fund to bolster insurers' capital are likely to be overtaken by events, independent research firm CreditSights Inc. said today.

    ``Given the number of competing interests and levels of commitment of participants involved, we think it is unlikely that an agreement sponsored by Dinallo could be hammered out within the appropriate timeframe,'' CreditSights analysts Rob Haines, Craig Guttenplan and Joe Di Carlo in New York wrote in a report. ``In the offchance that any deal could be solidified, the rating agencies are likely to have already taken action.''

    The industry guarantees about $2.4 trillion of securities issued by U.S. cities and states and bonds backed by mortgages, credit cards and other assets. Insurers including Security Capital Assurance Ltd., FGIC Corp. and ACA Capital Holdings Inc. have been seeking capital since November when Fitch Ratings and Moody's Investors Service began reviewing the effect of rising defaults on mortgage securities guaranteed by the companies.

    Dinallo's department hired investment bank Perella Weinberg Partners to advise it on the financial stability of bond insurers and how to protect their customers, a Dinallo spokesman said yesterday.

    Losses Surge

    Losses at MBIA may reach $8 billion and those at Ambac may climb to $11.4 billion, according to JPMorgan analysts Chris Flanagan and Kedran Garrison Panageas in New York. Such a scenario would consume 80 percent of claims-paying resources at Ambac and about 50 percent at MBIA, they wrote in a Jan. 25 research note.

    Bond insurers' total losses may be as high as $65 billion, according to Independent Strategy, a London-based financial consultancy set up in 1994 by David Roche, a former head of research at Morgan Stanley. The estimate assumes a loss rate of 18 to 22 percent on $250 billion of credit derivatives linked to U.S. property, plus $90 billion of insurance on foreign real estate.

    The insurers will need about $130 billion to cover the losses and to recapitalize, and the cash will have to come from taxpayers, Independent Strategy said in a statement today.

    Ratings Cut

    Fitch Ratings cut the AAA ranking on the financial guarantee units of Ambac in New York and Bermuda-based Security Capital Assurance Ltd. earlier this month. The ratings company is due to rule on whether Financial Guaranty Insurance Co., the fourth- largest bond insurer, has raised enough capital to preserve its AAA rating.

    ``We are expecting to see a downgrade of FGIC any day now,'' said CreditSights, which has about 700 clients including Wall Street's biggest banks and brokers.

    FGIC in Stamford, Connecticut may have its ratings cut by as many as four levels to A+, Michael Cox, an analyst at Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc in London, wrote in a report published today. The insurer's rankings may be reduced today, he wrote.

    The bond insurers, which began by guaranteeing the notes sold by U.S. municipalities to fund roads and schools, are incurring losses after expanding into structured finance such as collateralized debt obligations. CDOs repackage pools of bonds, loans and credit-default swaps and slice them into separate pieces of varying risk and return.

    Writedowns Triggered

    Lower ratings for the insurers may cause a new round of writedowns on debt holdings at the world's financial companies, potentially forcing banks to raise another $143 billion to bolster capital, analysts at Barclays Capital said last week.

    Merrill Lynch & Co. wrote down $1.9 billion of securities and Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce had to sell more than C$2.75 billion ($2.7 billion) in stock to cover losses after the credit rating of ACA Capital Holdings Inc.'s financial guaranty business was cut 12 levels to CCC by S&P.

    Ratings cuts for other bond insurers will be ``much, much smaller than those for ACA, given their stronger starting capital position,'' Bank of America Corp. analysts led by Jeffrey Rosenberg wrote in a report yesterday.

    Saving the bond insurers ``will ultimately require a broader multi-faceted regulatory response,'' CreditSights said. In the meantime, the most likely sources of cash infusions are ``white knight investors'' such as billionaire Wilbur Ross, who has expressed interest in buying Ambac, according to the analysts.
  2. Daal


    paulson is not yet talking about it so I dont think thats likely. NY state dont have the kind of money that can bail this guys out, not even close.
  3. rwk


    That's pretty hair-raising, but not entirely unprecedented. The government bailed out Chrysler years ago, although taxpayers ultimately got their money back. I thought then that it was a terrible idea to reward bad management that way. Considering that this is an election year, anything can happen.
  4. Get used to it. Taxpayer is going to BAIL OUT EVERYBODY... "for the good of the banking system... can't afford to let any part of it fail... jobs at risk, you know"... "for the good of the country", crap like that.

    All of the "bail-out financing" will eventually be accounted for in ever rising inflation and destruction of the $USD. (Anyone who says otherwise is either a liar or stupid. Debt is ALWAYS paid for by somebody....)