I just did dumbass. If you want to know more, get yourself a Bible and start reading. BTW, Jesus validated that the Old Testament was the word of God, so start there. Then you can start reading the teachings of the world's other great religions such as the Koran.
Piss is just upset because I've picked on him and his son lucrum. My subtle point that wasn't clear is that fear, hate, ignorance and prejudice are human traits. I agree with peil and pspr that the desert religions have perfected the mass teaching of these ideas but they aren't the only ones who think like this.
peil, With all due respect for your enthusiasm to educate, I will also point out that in the passages you have referred us to, Christ is addressing the issue of divorce between a man and a woman, rather than marriage. 3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, âIs it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?â You see here? ^^^They are asking him about apples, and not oranges, as you have suggested. They ask a very specific question about a man divorcing his wife, and not about whether or not gay marriage is ok. Just read it again and you will see what I'm talking about^^^. 4 âHavenât you read,â he replied, âthat AT THE BEGINNING the Creator âmade them male and female,â 5 and said, âFor this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one fleshâ? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.â Here, Christ is simply giving a reference to scripture the Pharisees are already familiar with. He gives them familiar scripture because he truly wants them to understand his teaching on this particular subject, but like most conservatives they do not want to open their minds and hearts. He also provides the passage because it is an adequate explanation of God's wishes for his people [IN THE BEGINNING]. Notice the CAPITOL letters I used to end that sentence? Good, because those three words have a huge impact on the message that Christ spells out to these poor ignorant bastards, who just can't seem to get what he's telling them. 7 âWhy then,â they asked, âdid Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?â THINK, YOU DUMB BASTARDS!! HINT: God says IN THE BEGINNING that when a man and woman unite, they shall not be separated. IOW ON'T GET DIVORCED. HINT 2: Moses (right after consulting with God comes down from the mountain and says "We're not condoning whatever actions were taken to cause divorce, but here is a permission slip for it if you were genuinely done wrong by your partner. HINT 3: Did you happen notice a contradiction there? IN THE BEGINNING God says no divorce, but later tells Moses it's ok. Why is this?? Hint 3: God is a loving and forgiving shepherd and provides provisions for his people as he understands fully their weaknesses. IOW, God loves you no matter how stupid you are. 8 Jesus replied, âMoses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way FROM THE BEGINNING. Again Christ is reiterating, that we all start out with hopes and aspirations, but that sometimes we just have to accept the evil that lies within and learn to deal with it. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.â DON'T GET FROGGY WITH THAT DIVORCE BUTTON- MAKE SURE IT'S FOR THE RIGHT REASONS, AND ONLY THE RIGHT REASONS OR YOU'LL DUMBASS WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT! So you can hopefully see now, Peil, that Christ did not address the subject of gay marriage in the way that you had hoped, which was to benefit your desires. I would also like to suggest you keep Paul's message about hearing what you want to hear: 2 Timothy 4: 3-4 3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. You have got it all wrong my ignorant friend. Christ never said anything of the like. Take another look at what he actually says. âDo not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.[/QUOTE] Maybe you just need to take a closer look at what it means to fulfill. To fulfill doesn't remotely come close to meaning that something that was in the past is still valid, as your desires would like. It's quite the contrary. To fulfill means to carry out, or accomplish what was predicted or promised. It was predicted that Christ would come along and lay down the law, or set the record straight and that is exactly what is he is trying to do. You can choose whether or not you will obey such law, but it won't help you or others to distort the meaning of the message to suit your personal goals and needs. Christ did not come to address the old laws, but rather to lay the law down. If the message actually meant what you have hoped, then we can presume that you are all for polygamy and slavery? 18âFor truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.19âWhoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.[/QUOTE] Have you considered, that Christ is simply telling a bunch of lost souls that they had better listen up? If they choose to obey the law in which HE has laid down, then things will be pretty darn good for them. But IF they choose to disobey the laws, then things will be not so good for them. How do we know that Christ is referring to HIS laws rather than the old laws? Simple. Just re-read the lesson above in which Christ is trying to teach the Conservatives-oops- I mean Pharisees the lesson in which a man can divorce his wife. I will explain to you once again that Christ points out what WAS said IN THE BEGINNING is somewhat different to what Moses says to his people LATER, regarding the subject of divorce. Could it possibly be, that what he is alluding to is, that the old laws used to be adequate- that is before people starting twisting them around to suit their wants and desires? I think you'll find that as you submerge an open mind and heart into Christ's teachings, you will see a pattern where he continually is essentially instructing his students and adversaries to not be so caught up in the old laws, but rather to pay more attention to what HE is saying. The old laws have been twisted from their true meaning in an older language, but remain much the same. Christ is here to set the record straight once and for all, which he sadly has been unable to accomplish, as the vast majority of listeners continue to hear what they want instead of that which is true.
Russia gave snowden a year's asylum. Obama reacts by possibly not attending a meeting with Putin. Looks like Putin, along with the rest of the world, gets a kick out of slinging Obama all over the place. Is America becoming the world's vagina? Sure looks like it.
Maybe you just need to take a closer look at what it means to fulfill. To fulfill doesn't remotely come close to meaning that something that was in the past is still valid, as your desires would like. It's quite the contrary. To fulfill means to carry out, or accomplish what was predicted or promised. It was predicted that Christ would come along and lay down the law, or set the record straight and that is exactly what is he is trying to do. You can choose whether or not you will obey such law, but it won't help you or others to distort the meaning of the message to suit your personal goals and needs. Christ did not come to address the old laws, but rather to lay the law down. If the message actually meant what you have hoped, then we can presume that you are all for polygamy and slavery? 18âFor truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.19âWhoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.[/QUOTE] Have you considered, that Christ is simply telling a bunch of lost souls that they had better listen up? If they choose to obey the law in which HE has laid down, then things will be pretty darn good for them. But IF they choose to disobey the laws, then things will be not so good for them. How do we know that Christ is referring to HIS laws rather than the old laws? Simple. Just re-read the lesson above in which Christ is trying to teach the Conservatives-oops- I mean Pharisees the lesson in which a man can divorce his wife. I will explain to you once again that Christ points out what WAS said IN THE BEGINNING is somewhat different to what Moses says to his people LATER, regarding the subject of divorce. Could it possibly be, that what he is alluding to is, that the old laws used to be adequate- that is before people starting twisting them around to suit their wants and desires? I think you'll find that as you submerge an open mind and heart into Christ's teachings, you will see a pattern where he continually is essentially instructing his students and adversaries to not be so caught up in the old laws, but rather to pay more attention to what HE is saying. The old laws have been twisted from their true meaning in an older language, but remain much the same. Christ is here to set the record straight once and for all, which he sadly has been unable to accomplish, as the vast majority of listeners continue to hear what they want instead of that which is true. [/QUOTE] I have no idea what you're tying to accomplish with this diatribe, but since you specifically asked before about what Christ (are you afraid to say Jesus?) said about homosexuality and whether it is a sin and then go on later to equate conservatives with pharisees and then, for the topper, claim that some (implying conservatives) only see what they want and not what Christ ( uh, it's JESUS) really said, I'm left to conclude, as any sane person would, that you have a notion that homosexuality and homo marriage must be ok now. lol No, it's not. Jesus is the Word of God, Rev 19, and the Word of God could not possibly be any more plain that men having sex with men is not ok either in the old testament or new. You might try the book of Romans, bud. Have you ever read it? The 'fulfilling of the law' did not do away with the guidance as to what is proper and improper sexual relations. duh!!!! It's hard to know whether to laugh or cry at people who accuse others of only reading what they want into the scriptures and then go on to attempt to justify homo sex. The Word is clear and common sense is clear. Oh, and one last thing. YOU, are either a slave to Christ or a slave to sin, capiche? I just thought i'd let you know since you asked piel whether he still believed in slavery. Well, the Word of God does. Do you?
Hey Hoof... interesting... but your conclusions seem a bit confident. Have you considered that your interpretation is just as much lawyer b.s. as the man made law written up by the Jewish leaders. Doesn't Jesus seem to get pissed when man puts his laws between the people and God. Does Jesus not really teach that man really can not lawyer up on God. That the law might say thou shalt not commit adultery but Jesus teaches that even if you can follow the law perfectly - you can't. The written law is the first step, but perfection, for example, might require one to not even think about being intimate with another outside of what God would find acceptable. Was not Jesus really saying forget about man' s written law, interpretation and excuses because even if thou wilt be perfect you still need to be forgiven and follow him. Because, before man can be with God's perfection he needs to be forgiven and purged of imperfections - sin. Maybe you just need to take a closer look at what it means to fulfill. To fulfill doesn't remotely come close to meaning that something that was in the past is still valid, as your desires would like. It's quite the contrary. To fulfill means to carry out, or accomplish what was predicted or promised. It was predicted that Christ would come along and lay down the law, or set the record straight and that is exactly what is he is trying to do. You can choose whether or not you will obey such law, but it won't help you or others to distort the meaning of the message to suit your personal goals and needs. Christ did not come to address the old laws, but rather to lay the law down. If the message actually meant what you have hoped, then we can presume that you are all for polygamy and slavery? 18âFor truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.19âWhoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.[/QUOTE] Have you considered, that Christ is simply telling a bunch of lost souls that they had better listen up? If they choose to obey the law in which HE has laid down, then things will be pretty darn good for them. But IF they choose to disobey the laws, then things will be not so good for them. How do we know that Christ is referring to HIS laws rather than the old laws? Simple. Just re-read the lesson above in which Christ is trying to teach the Conservatives-oops- I mean Pharisees the lesson in which a man can divorce his wife. I will explain to you once again that Christ points out what WAS said IN THE BEGINNING is somewhat different to what Moses says to his people LATER, regarding the subject of divorce. Could it possibly be, that what he is alluding to is, that the old laws used to be adequate- that is before people starting twisting them around to suit their wants and desires? I think you'll find that as you submerge an open mind and heart into Christ's teachings, you will see a pattern where he continually is essentially instructing his students and adversaries to not be so caught up in the old laws, but rather to pay more attention to what HE is saying. The old laws have been twisted from their true meaning in an older language, but remain much the same. Christ is here to set the record straight once and for all, which he sadly has been unable to accomplish, as the vast majority of listeners continue to hear what they want instead of that which is true. [/QUOTE]
I'd be happy to reply to your opinions of my post. I just ask that you actually read it first before letting your loose lips flap in my ear. I'm not sure I'd even disagree with anything you have to say.