Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by thetraderprofit, Mar 21, 2004.
Which dud.... I mean dude is your choice?
I'm sick of voting for the least shitty candidate. Voting Libertarian, and encouraging others to do the same.
The two big parties no longer represent the vision of America's founding fathers. Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness.
agree with RM
A libertarian vote will practically ensure Bush's re-election. Good job.
is the only hope. Just as the colonies rejected the taxes of King George, American voters must reject the "government at the expense of the people" tyranny of the present political system.
Americans are so politically naive, it will never happen.
I used to think like that, but now? Fuck it. Bush is scum. Kerry is scum. Neither deserves my vote. If this country deteriorates much farther, I'll have to take my (massively devaluated dollar) wealth and find a free country to make my new home. The Netherlands seems best on personal liberties, although their their high taxes and socialism are disgusting. Unfortunately, Holland (maybe Switzerland) appears to be the least flawed system of government the human race is capable of these days.
Anybody want to start up a new sovereign Libertarian/Objectivist Island?
I already said you have the choice between crook nÂ°1 and crook nÂ°2 (in France it's the same thing ! ) whoever wins the result will be the same for tax, only appearance will change. People should NEVER MAKE REVOLUTION but care more about not law being changed to eliminate democracy little by little and then by a revolution which is just the achievment of corruption hiding behind the "people's" revolution whereas it has never been people but a few that have been financed by the same that corrupted the system before and there are now historical proofs of that.
As long as peole stays complacent and believe that the problem is between left and right it's desperatefull because both parties are completely corrupted by infiltration of people who don't care about left, right, or the nation but about international profits goal. Even eminent economists from Galbraith to Friedman who are at opposite politically agree that the society has become completely rotten !
Here's Milton's Fredman interview at federal reserve of Mineapolis
"You know, people have the image, have the idea, that somehow "we the people" are speaking through the government. That is nonsense."
Friedman: One unsolved economic problem of the day is how to <font color=red>get rid of the Federal Reserve</font>. The most unresolved problem of the day is precisely the problem that concerned the founders of this nation: how to limit the scope and power of government. Tyranny, restrictions on human freedom, come primarily from governmental institutions that we ourselves set up.
Abraham Lincoln talked about a government of the people, by the people, for the people. Today, we have a government of the people, by the bureaucrats, for the bureaucrats, including in the bureaucrats the elected members of Congress because that has become a bureaucracy too.
And so undoubtedly the most urgent problem today is how to find some mechanism for restructuring our political system so as to limit the extent to which it can control our individual lives. You know, people have the image, have the idea, that somehow "we the people" are speaking through the government. That is nonsense.
The Economics of Innocent Fraud : Truth For Our Time
by John Kenneth Galbraith </exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books&field-author=Galbraith%2C%20John%20Kenneth/002-8361841-5141652> (Author)
Kenneth Galbraith has been at the center of the American economy since before the First World War. In this his new book, he offers a distillation of these years in both the public and the private sectors, the academy and the government, and explains where we are and how we got there. Galbraith argues that inherent in our economic system is a continuing divergence between reality and "conventional wisdom," or as he puts it self-serving belief and contrived nonsense, or "fraud." He contends that we observe the current state of the nation in a cloud of myth, believing that stockholders and owners run our corporate world. In reality, it is the management of giant corporations that controls not only the private sector, but also the public sector, too, from politicians, to the Federal Reserve Bank, to the Pentagon.
Despite the "appearance of relevance for owners," capitalism has given way to corporate bureaucracy--"a bureaucracy in control of its task and its compensation. Rewards that verge on larceny."
"in particular <font color=red>the Federal Reserve System, is "our most prestigious form of fraud, our most elegant escape from reality</font>."
As a republican I wouldn't vote for the socialist candidate Kerry. But as a true republican who cares about values and not about person, I wouldn't vote for a fake republican and I'm happy that some true republicans are just realising that also.
George Meagher of Charleston, South Carolina, is a veteran and lifelong Republican who, by his own admission, put his âheart and soulâ into working for George W. Bush in 2000.
Meagher organized veterans and once proudly displayed pictures of him and his wife with Bush.
No more. Meagher may vote Democratic this fall because heâs fed up with what he sees as lies and deceit by President Bush and the Republican leadership in Washington.
âI should be all choked up at not supporting the President,â says Meagher. âBut when I think about the 500 Americans killed in a war, with what weâve done to Iraq and with what weâve done to our own country, I canât see any other way. Look at it. Weâre already $2 trillion in debt. Something has to be done.â
Meagher is not alone when it comes to Republicans who are having serious second thoughts about George W. Bush.
John Scarnado, a registered Republican and sales manager from Austin, Tex., voted for Bush in 2000 but now says he will vote for John Kerry if the Massachusetts Senator wins the Democratic nomination.
Scarnado cites Iraq and Vice President Dick Cheneyâs ties to scandal-scarred Halliburton as two reasons he canât vote for Bush again.
âItâs just too much old boy politics with the Bush administration,â Scarnado says. âI donât like that.â
Neither does Londonderry, New Hampshire farmer Mike Cross, who voted Republican in 2000 and who says he doesnât care much for John Kerry but has âhad enough of George W. Bush.â
In travels around the country in recent weeks, Iâve found many Republicans who feel betrayed by their own party. They say the President lied about his reasons for going to war with Iraq, has abandoned basic Republican principles like a balanced budget and now ignores states' rights.
âHe acts more like Bill Clinton every day,â says one state GOP chairman. âHow am I expected to rally our party to support someone like that?â
Some say they may stay home on Election Day. Others say they will hold their nose and vote Democratic.
âIâve had with George W. Bushâs lies and his fat cat buddies,â says Sandra Waterson, a banking executive in St. Louis. âHeâs a disgrace to the Presidency and the Republican Party.â
Tim Blevins, a Vietnam veteran from Waterloo, Iowa, isnât fond of John Kerryâs antiwar activities after he came back from Vietnam but says âKerry went to Vietnam and fought like a man. He didnât use his daddyâs connections to hide in the Air Guard and avoid fighting for his country like Bush.â
Publicly, Republican strategists say they are not worried about dissension in the GOP ranks but privately they admit real concern.
âThe fallout is significant,â admits one GOP pollster. âWe could be seeing as much as 15 percent of Republicans who wonât vote for the Presidentâs reelection.â
This jives with a recent nationwide CBS News poll that shows 11 percent of those who voted for Bush in 2000 now say they will support the Democratic candidate. Another poll by Princeton Survey Associates finds 19 percent of Republicans and 56 percent of independents say they canât support Bushâs re-election.
Bill Flanagan, an Ohio Republican, is one of those.
âThe lies and our boys coming home in body bags are reasons enough,â he says. âI can vote for John Kerry. I can vote for just about any Democrat over George W. Bush.â
The defections arenât limited to voters. In the last two months, a dozen Republican members of Congress have told me they will distance themselves from Bush in their reelection campaign.
At a recent GOP retreat, House Speaker Dennis J. Hastert faced hostile Republican conservatives, led by Rep. Chris Cox of California.
At one point during a heated closed-door debate, one angry GOP house member told Hastert: âWe might as well have a Democrat in the White House. At least we know what to expect from a Democratic President.â
Kerry with his great long ugly mug .. with a super rich wife. Man on the make .. nothing more in IMO. Already getting himself in a tangle.
Bush has lots of sh*t awful faults .. but he is more the common man and he is what you want if you want a freer lower taxed capitalist and expanding trading economy.
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