Who will pay for the world's debt mountain? It's you, dear saver.

Discussion in 'Economics' started by themickey, Mar 31, 2019.

  1. themickey

    themickey

    Today, around $US10 trillion ($14 trillion) of bonds are trading at negative yields, mainly in Europe and Japan.

    In the next recession, US interest rates, too, may enter negative territory: Short-term rates are currently running around 2.5 per cent, and cuts of between 3 per cent and 5 per cent are commonly needed to restart economic activity.

    In markets where rates are even lower or already negative, rates will need to go deeply into into the red.

    Negative real rates refer to returns below inflation. Negative nominal yields involve a guaranteed loss of capital invested. In other words, if an investor places a deposit with a bank, they will receive at maturity an amount less than the original investment. In the case of bonds, negative yields mean that investors lose the difference between the price paid and the face value.

    The only way to avoid losses in such a situation is to physically withdraw cash and hold it, or to purchase real assets or equities. There are a host of reasons why that's easier than it sounds.

    Those worried about security and safety will have little choice but to invest in government bonds or insured bank deposits. Also, returns are relative; it's possible that purchasing negatively yielding securities may be the least-bad alternative available.

    Some investors may be attracted by the opportunity for capital gains if they expect yields to become more negative; foreign investors may see possible currency gains. Others may focus on real rather than nominal returns, as even negative returns may preserve or increase purchasing power under deflationary conditions.

    Some investment mandates force fund managers to purchase bonds, even if yields are negative. Similarly, liquidity regulations require banks and insurance companies to hold high-quality securities no matter what. Central banks that face restricted investment choices may also be customers.

    Negative rates are supposed to work through the same economic channels as low or zero rates -- boosting asset prices to enhance the wealth effect, increasing the velocity of money and encouraging greater borrowing.

    In theory, savers facing the threat of losses should increase investment and consumption, helping to boost economic growth and inflation. Yet, where negative rates have been implemented, they've been singularly ineffective, even as they've created serious economic and financial distortions. The real reason the world is in this predicament is the failure to deal with unsustainable debt levels.

    Debt can only be reduced in one of four ways: through strong growth, inflation, currency devaluation (where the borrowing is from foreigners) or default. All the strategies other than growth involve some level of transfer of value from savers, either by reducing the nominal value returned or through decreased purchasing power.

    Growth and inflation are weak. Devaluation is difficult if every nation tries to reduce the value of its currency at the same time.

    Debt defaults on the scale required would destroy a large portion of the world's savings, not to mention affect the solvency of the financial system, triggering a collapse of economic activity. That's why policymakers resist write-downs of trillions of dollars' worth of debt that cannot be paid back.

    So, central banks must instead covertly use negative rates to reduce excessive debt levels by transferring wealth from savers to borrowers through the slow confiscation of capital.

    What negative rates are telling us is that the global economic system cannot generate sufficient income to service, let alone repay, current debt levels. The latter are so high that even current, artificially depressed rates only allow them to be barely managed.

    The fact remains that someone has to pay the price of the financial excesses of the last few decades. With low and negative rates, that "someone" will be savers.

    https://www.smh.com.au/business/mar...tain-it-s-you-dear-saver-20190330-p5196f.html
    Satyajit Das is a former banker whose latest book is "A Banquet of Consequences." He is also the author of "Extreme Money" and "Traders, Guns & Money." He lives in Sydney.
    Bloomberg
     
  2. Economic machine 101: the debt is never fully paid off through various mechanisms.
     
  3. Handle123

    Handle123

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  4. schweiz

    schweiz

    As a trader you should now take loans and trade that money. The low interest rates will offset more or less any negative impact on your capital.
     
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  5. We will ALL pay for it through increased taxes, wealth taxes, confiscation, inflation, and currency debasement. The richest will still have some left over, but the rest of us will end up like Cuba and Venezuela. History shows that politicians "just can't help themselves"... they have to take it all.

    My best hope is that the destruction takes 40 years. I'll be gone by then.

    Not much to hope for, I know.

    :(
     
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  6. why don't we open a casino in Bogota and deal coc money...smh
     
  7. The holders of the debt don't expect to be paid back. I don't think that they even want to be paid back. The name of the game is to collect interest.
     
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  8. schweiz

    schweiz

    You should then first stop using and then try to do post something that makes sense. smh too.
     
  9. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    And rainman strikes again
     
  10. ironchef

    ironchef

    But OP said the interest rate was negative on $10T, so the holders pay interest to the borrowers.
     
    #10     Mar 31, 2019