Who says we are not a socialist country?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Maverick74, Apr 25, 2006.

  1. Maverick74


    Taxes we currently pay in this country.

    > Accounts Receivable Tax
    > Building Permit Tax
    > Capital Gains Tax
    > CDL license Tax
    > Cigarette Tax
    > Corporate Income Tax
    > Court Fines (indirect taxes )
    > Dog License Tax
    > Federal Income Tax
    > Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
    > Fishing License Tax
    > Food License Tax
    > Fuel permit tax
    > Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
    > Hunting License Tax
    > Inheritance Tax Interest expense (tax on the mone y)
    > Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
    > IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
    > Liquor Tax
    > Local Income Tax
    > Luxury Taxes
    > Marriage License Tax
    > Medicare Tax
    > Property Tax
    > Real Estate Tax
    > Septic Permit Tax
    > Service Charge Taxes
    > Social Security Tax
    > Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)
    > Sales Taxes
    > Recreational Vehicle Tax
    > Road Toll Booth Taxes
    > School Tax
    > State Income Tax
    > State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
    > Telephone federal excise tax
    > Telephone federal universal service fee tax
    > Telephone federal, state and
    > local surcharge taxes
    > Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
    > Telephone recurring and nonrecurring charges tax Telephone state*
    > *and local tax
    > Telephone usage charge tax< BR>Toll Bridge Taxes
    > Toll Tunnel Taxes
    > Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)
    > Trailer Registration Tax
    > Utility Taxes
    > Vehicle License Registration Tax
    > Vehicle Sales Tax
    > Watercraft Registration Tax
    > Well Permit Tax
    > Workers Compensation Tax

    Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was the most prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world and only one parent had to work to support the family. Thank you big government!
  2. Socialism is not defined by taxes, as a matter of fact they paid virtually no taxes in the former soviet union, there probably aren't any taxes in Cuba and North Korea. Socialism is defined as "collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods", it has nothing to do with taxes or the size of the government.

    You can legitimately complain about our bloated government, but it's capitalist (and more specifically republican) government, not socialist government.
  3. Maverick74


    Not true. Socialism deals with the collection and re-distribution of wealth. Whether that be through taxes, tolls, Tariffs, or through force. Then redistributing those tax dollars for the good of the state. They didn't need to pay taxes in Cuba or the Soviet Union, they had no property rights!!!!!
  4. Most of those "things" didnt exist 100 years ago, either.
    toll roads? road usage? telephones?traffic fines?
  5. This is your own personal and unique definition of socialism and you certainly have every right to stick with it even if it has nothing in common with mainstream definitions provided by reputable sources like webster and other dictionaries:

  6. If we really were a socialist country, we would not see this:


    Or this:

    <img src=http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20060416/capt.ny11304160537.exxon_riches_ny113.jpg?x=229&y=345&sig=7Xr84S9BLL3o8xtEcJBSxQ-->

    or this:

    Approximately 46 million Americans, or 15.7 percent of the population, were without health insurance in 2004....
  7. Maverick74


    Hey Einstein, and how do you suppose we have collective ownership? LOL. Socialism is derived from state control. States are funded by tax dollars. You are a smart guy, do the math, figure it out.
  8. Maverick74


    Socialism is a social and economic system (or the political philosophy advocating such a system) in which the economic means of production are owned and controlled collectively by the people. This control may be either direct, exercised through popular collectives such as workers' councils, or it may be indirect, exercised through a State. In the latter case, the issue of who controls the state is crucial.

  9. As I said before socialism is defined by who owns and controls the means of production and it has nothing to do with taxation issues you were complaining about. Your definition above does not even mention the word "taxes". Socialist government would own Exxon-Mobil, would hire and fire employees, would make every business decision, would keep every penny of profits, it would not tax Exxon-Mobil.
  10. Maverick74


    That is not true. By your definition France and Germany would not have free enterprise and yet they do. There are many ways a state can have control and create a collective citizenship. One of the ways is through taxes. In the old Soviet Union, which was communist by the way, they did it by way of the gun. Some countries do it by forbidding private property rights, which btw France and Germany both have as well as do Norway and Sweden, also socialist states by their own admission. You are using a very pure 18th century definition of the word. Modern socialism is now a blend of collective workers rights as well as individual rights. It's not nearly as black and white as you paint it.

    In the modern economy, taxes, regulations, and limits on individual and corporate interests are the footprints of modern socialism.
    #10     Apr 25, 2006