Who is the champion

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by rs7, Jan 16, 2003.

  1. rs7

    rs7

    Here's one for My Pal Max.....

    Who is the champion of cut and paste posts?

    Wild?
    Traderfut?
    Other candidates???


    I must admit....I rarely read the cut and pastes. I occasionally click on links, but if they are from politically predictable sources, I wont read them, because we all know what their points will be.

    On the other hand, I ALWAYS click on the "links" of Optional777, because I know I will be amused.

    And if I see a link posted by Babak, then I will take a quick gander. Because I know he won't steer us to some politically un-objective propaganda (a la Traderfut or Wild).

    But who am I missing? Who is the all time #1 cut and paste champ?

    I realize this is an important thread. It should explain why I am a big fan of Fasterpussycat....he is an original (except for tonight when he plagiarized Henny Youngman, but everyone gets a pass once in a while).

    Am I the only one that finds these cut and pasters to be desperate to prove a point over and over and over and over again? Does anyone else find this objectionable?

    (Obviously bored....wife working tonight....)

    Peace,
    :)rs7
     
  2. yeah wild and TF are the two big guns... wild, especially, has been on a tear lately. perhaps with the spectre of war looming closer he feels that last ditch mass propaganda campaign might yet save the day...

    other notables would be vvv and TigerO (hmmm... must be a liberal thing...)

    i'm convinced thunderbolt resorted to this tactic during the atheism debates too.. .although he didn't disclose it...

    personally i never bother reading the cut and pastes. i want to know what the POSTER thinks, not what his favorite publication thinks. i want to speak to the elitetrader, not to some anonymous journalist.
     
  3. rs7

    rs7

    Ditto. And yeah, I forgot about VVV and TigerO. Good call Dan. And no doubt that Thunderbolt was doing it..but in his own way. Just brainwashed, so he had no original thoughts.

    And hey, give me a break on the liberal guff.....all extremists are equally guilty. Certainly you can't make cut and paste a political issue. You know that I am to the left of you...but at least we can dialogue and agree to disagree. I don't need someone to make my arguments for me, just like you don't.

    Which brings me back to your earlier inquiry Dan...Can you see why me wanting to be the Pope would hinder my ability to kill for money ? ("Could You Resist" thread).

    Peace,
    :)rs7
     
  4. rs7

    rs7

    OK, here I go. I am about to become guilty of the very issue I have complained about. I will paste something here. Hate to do it, but I am in need of a "fix" of a Traderfut rebuttal. So here goes:



    ARAB/ISLAMIC:
    > >
    > > Muslims number 200,000,000 ... about 20% of the
    > > world's population ...
    > > and have won the following Nobel Prizes:
    > >
    > >
    > > Literature:
    > >
    > > 1957 - Albert Camus (of French parentage, but raised
    > > in North Africa)
    > > 1988 - Najib Mahfooz.
    > >
    > > Peace:
    > >
    > > 1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
    > > 1994 - Yaser Arafat
    > >
    > > Chemistry:
    > >
    > > 1990 - Elias James Corey
    > > 1999 - Ahmed Zewail
    > >
    > > Medicine:
    > >
    > > 1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
    > > 1998 - Ferid Mourad
    > >
    > >
    > > JEWISH NOBEL PRIZE WINNERS:
    > >
    > > Jews number approx. 14,000,000 ... about 0.02% of the
    > > world's population, (which is about the
    > > population of Nepal or Morocco)
    > >
    > >
    > > Literature:
    > >
    > > 1910 - Paul Heyse
    > > 1927 - Henri Bergson
    > > 1958 - Boris Pasternak
    > > 1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
    > > 1966 - Nelly Sachs
    > > 1976! - Saul Bellow
    > > 1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
    > > 1981 - Elias Canetti
    > > 1987 - Joseph Brodsky
    > > 1991 - Nadine Gordimer World
    > >
    > >
    > > Peace:
    > >
    > > 1911 - Alfred Fried
    > > 1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
    > > 1968 - Rene Cassin
    > > 1973 - Henry Kissinger
    > > 1978 - Menachem Begin
    > > 1986 - Elie Wiesel
    > > 1994 - Shimon Peres
    > > 1994 - Yitzhak Rabin
    > >
    > >
    > > Chemistry:
    > >
    > > 1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
    > > 1906 - Henri Moissan
    > > 1910 - Otto Wallach
    > > 1915 - Richard Willstaetter
    > > 1918 - Fritz Haber
    > > 1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
    > > 1961 - Melvin Calvin
    > > 1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
    > > 1972 - William Howard Stein
    > > 1977 - Ilya Prigogine
    > > 1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
    > > 1980 - Paul Berg
    > > 1980 - Walter Gilbert
    > > 1981 - Roald Hoffmann
    > > 1982 - Aaron Klug
    > > 1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
    > > 1985 - Jerome Karle
    > > 1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
    > > 1988 - Robert Huber
    > > 1989 - Sidney Altman
    > > 1992 - Rudolph Marcus
    > > 2000 - Alan J. Heeger
    > >
    > >
    > > Economics:
    > >
    > > 1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
    > > 1971 - Simon Kuznets
    > > 1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
    > > 1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
    > > 1976 - Milton Friedman
    > > 1978 - Herbert A. Simon
    > > 1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
    > > 1985 - Franco Modigliani
    > > 1987 - Robert M. Solow
    > > 1990 - Harry Markowitz
    > > 1990 - Merton Miller
    > > 1992 - Gary Becker
    > > 1993 - Robert Fogel
    > >
    > >
    > > Medicine:
    > >
    > > 1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
    > > 1908 - Paul Erlich
    > > 1914 - Robert Barany
    > > 1922 - Otto Meyerhof
    > > 1930 - Karl Landsteiner
    > > 1931 - Otto Warburg
    > > 1936 - Otto Loewi
    > > 1944 - Joseph Erlanger
    > > 1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
    > > 1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
    > > 1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
    > > 1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
    > > 1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman
    > > 1953 - Hans Krebs
    > > 1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
    > > 1958 - Joshua Lederberg
    > > 1959 - Arthur Kornberg
    > > 1964 - Konrad Bloch
    > > 1965 - Francois Jacob
    > > 1965 - Andre Lwoff
    > > 1967 - George Wald
    > > 1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
    > > 1969 - Salvador Luria
    > > 1970 - Julius Axelrod
    > > 1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
    > > 1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
    > > 1975 - David Baltimore
    > > 1975 - Howard Martin Temin
    > > 1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
    > > 1977 - Rosalyn Sussman Yalow
    > > 1978 - Daniel Nathans
    > > 1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
    > > 1984 - Cesar Milstein
    > > 1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
    > > 1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
    > > 1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
    > > 1988 - Gertrude Elion
    > > 1989 - Harold Varmus
    > > 1991 - Erwin Neher
    > > 1991 - Bert Sakmann
    > > 1993 - Richard J. Roberts
    > > 1993 - Phillip Sharp
    > > 1994 - Alfred Gilman
    > > 1995 - Edward B. Lewis
    > >
    > > Physics:
    > >
    > > 1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
    > > 1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
    > > 1921 - Albert Einstein
    > > 1922 - Niels Bohr
    > > 1925 - James Franck
    > > 1925 - Gustav Hertz
    > > 1943 - Gustav Stern
    > > 1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
    > > 1952 - Felix Bloch
    > > 1954 - Max Born
    > > 1958 - Igor Tamm
    > > 1959 - Emilio Segre
    > > 1960 - Donald A. Glaser
    > > 1961 - Robert Hofstadter
    > > 1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
    > > 1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
    > > 1965 - Julian Schwinger
    > > 1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
    > > 1971 - Dennis Gabor
    > > 1973 - Brian David Josephson
    > > 1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
    > > 1976 - Burton Richter
    > > 1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
    > > 1978 - Peter L Kapitza
    > > 1979 - Stephen Weinberg
    > > 1979 - Sheldon Glashow
    > > 1988 - Leon Lederman
    > > 1988 - Melvin Schwartz
    > > 1988 - Jack Steinberger
    > > 1990 - Jerome Friedman
    > > 1995 - Martin Perl
    > >
    > >
    > > Admittedly, though, the Muslim world dwarfs the Jewish
    > > world in the number of:
    > > ~terrorists
    > > ~suicide bombers
    > > ~slave traders -and-
    > > ~religious leaders calling for "holy wars."

    > > Maybe they should spend a little more time on
    > > education, and less time
    > > on blaming the Jews for all their problems.
    > >
    > > What do you think?


    Now we can assume safely that Sweden is neutral. So that can't be it. And old Al himself invented nitroglycerine, a favorite of Palestinian "freedom fighters" (suicide bombers). So that can't be it. Is it possible that Islam just prefers to stay stuck in the past? I KNOW that there are brilliant Islamic men (and women.....maybe not with the educational opportunities of the men, but hey, can't have it all).

    Does all this prove anything? Probably not. And I would not have posted it if Traderfut had not endlessly dwelled on how Arafat was a recipient. (the fix was obviously in.....must have been a quota, or maybe Clinton used his clout to make the guy feel like he was cornered into going for peace...didn't work).

    Peace,
    :)rs7
     
  5. Babak

    Babak

  6. rs7

    rs7

    Thanks Babak, I figured it must have been something along those lines.
    Is it safe to assume I would have gotten the same answer from Traderfut?
    Only time will tell.

    Fred to you my Man,
    :)Rs7
     
  7. wow, that's amazing. is it possible to have to consecutive years without a jew winning a nobel prize in something?

    what a performance..
     
  8. Hey, those Arabs don't live human lives like us. They are at odds with the world 24-hours a day, so how can they have the time to write Nobel Prize-winning books, tinker around in expensive laboratories and create films? They're lucky if they can get through a day with food on the table!
    _________________________________

    ARABS ARE DA BOMB
    Mohamad El Masri, Arts Editor

    "Oh, I come from a land, from a faraway place/ where the caravan camels roam./ Where they cut off your ear, if they don't like your face/ it's barbaric, but hey, it's home."

    Original lyrics from the Disney "animated classic,"
    Aladdin, before they were changed for the video release.


    "In the old city of Jerusalem [the Arabs] are swarming like ants. They should go to hell - and the Messiah will speed them on their way."

    Shas Party Leader Rabbi Ovadia Yossef, Friday July 20, 2001.
    __________________________________

    During my time as an editor at The Peak, I have taken every opportunity to author pieces that portrayed Arabs in a different light than that of your daily newspaper and in a format even you liberal-minded students of the 21st century are unaccustomed to. Among others, the reviews of the film West Beirut by Rami Doueiri and the book The Journey of Ibn Fattouma by Nobel Prize-winning author Naguib Mahfouz, illustrated that Arab people have real concerns similar to yours.

    These cultural pieces received no feedback, no comment - unlike, for instance, the more overtly political pieces that I've written. This is an example of a latent, and sometimes manifest, tendency to classify Arabs as a people who exist in an exclusively political atmosphere and frame of mind.

    Popular representation of Arabs is aimed at dehumanisation. In the movie Best Defense, starring Eddie Murphy, Kuwaiti children throw stones at Murphy's tank. Murphy yells back "Okay, you desert rats, now you die!" and proceeds to mow them down. Chuck Norris went from fighting the Vietcong to fighting the Muslim or Arab (whatever, same thing, right?) "terrorist groups" (who can forget Delta Force?). These Arab 'villains' are always faceless and nameless.

    The dehumanisation of Arabs is the one form of racism which remains widely accepted and openly used in the Western world. Black face and minstrel shows no longer exist, and what was "evil" communism is now the "new-left" fighting globalisation. The Arabs, however, remain faceless.

    The trial of Timothy McVeigh is a good example of this. Here is a true terrorist in every sense of the word; he was trained to be a mercenary by his own government during his time in the army, and he was put to death six years after the Oklahoma bombing. McVeigh received airtime on American network television in order to defend himself, as the media portrayed him as a man with demons from the past and a bad childhood, who had a vendetta against the American government. His family was quoted in various media outlets, expressing remorse and "confusion" at how a man who served so honourably in the Gulf War could sink to such levels. Even near the time of his death McVeigh created massive debate about the death penalty.

    The media presented him as a victim of the system who should be put to death for his crime, yet sympathised with because of the circumstances in which he found himself. Arab North Americans implicated in terrorist acts receive no airtime and are given no context or history. They are part of a group of fundamentalist people who don't have socio-political motivations or causes, and are terrorists because, hey, that's what Arabs do. We blow shit up!
     
  9. Yeah, but how many of them were Israelis? You could probably count them on one hand. Let's face it, a Jewish professor at MIT has a better shot at winning a prize in Physics than an Arab professor at the University of Morocco...
     
  10. who cares how many of them were Israelis. it's still quite an amazing accomplishment -- and i'm not comparing it to the number of arabs/muslims who have won it (let's be serious ...), the accomplishment stands on its own.
     
    #10     Jan 17, 2003