Who is really to blame for the war in Ukraine?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by TimtheEnchanter, Jan 20, 2023.

  1. UsualName

    UsualName

    Do you know who cares about Ukraine, the Ukrainians. They want to be independent of Russia.
     
    #21     Jan 21, 2023
  2. ids

    ids

    They are just pawns in a big geopolitical game.
     
    #22     Jan 21, 2023
  3. kashirin

    kashirin

    the truth is ukrainians didn't want the war, russians didn't want the war

    Only The USA wanted the war, there is no war USA doesn't like

    so they overthrew legal ukrainian government and put illegal nazi muppets who started bashing eastern ukraine with bombs for 8 years non stop

    when Russia tried to defend those people - OMG Russia is an agressor, war crimes, tribunal
     
    #23     Jan 21, 2023
  4. Putin and company bloviate at length about how NATO was getting stronger and establishing more forward, permanent positions in the region in recent years.

    They conveniently forget that they did that because Russia invaded and occupied Crimea.

    Russia took Crimea and all the Putin bootlickers, including the ones here, regurgitate the Kremlin party line that Nato was the one becoming more threatening. Even Putin himself has said and continues to say that Ukraine has always been part of Russia so one reason is as good as another. He is going to correct that historical mistake. In fact, Putin is prepared to go country by country all the way to Spain, Sweden, Finland and fifteen or more other countries to explain why they are actually part of Russia. And another fifteencountries in the other direction Central Asia and Japanese islands and on and on. Putin is about as good a historian as he is a military strategist.
     
    #24     Jan 21, 2023
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  5. kashirin

    kashirin

    I wonder why ukrainians are then being caught on streets like wild animals and sent to army?

    hm, strange more than being dead and independent of russia ukrainians want to be alive

    but no worries, usa already made a choice for them - they must die
     
    #25     Jan 21, 2023
  6. ipatent

    ipatent

    The war wasn't provoked in the traditional sense. Russia wants strategic depth, mostly for missile defense early warning. Ukraine drifting toward the West and NATO was therefore a threat.
     
    #26     Jan 21, 2023
  7. Ukraine is a sovereign nation. Seeing Ukraine drift toward the west and Nato is without a doubt a threat to Putin to given his worldview and plans. It is not a violation of international law to piss Putin off.

    I feel threated by Mexico and Central America.

    Putin has always acted as a jilted lover toward Ukraine. "Marry me or I will kill you."
     
    #27     Jan 21, 2023
  8. ipatent

    ipatent

    The U.S. opened the door for this sort of adventurism by invading Iraq.
     
    #28     Jan 21, 2023
  9. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    Nonsense
     
    #29     Jan 21, 2023
  10. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    A threat doesn't give you the right to attack another country.Russia was a threat to Ukraine yet Ukraine didn't attack Russia.
     
    #30     Jan 21, 2023
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