Who is on the other side of KM Trades?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by nitro, Feb 6, 2002.


  1. Phantom likes to use tight stops apparently and adds to his
    position as the market tells him his position is correct at a
    ration of 3:2:1. Would this be a good idea with equities as it
    would be with futures? Do you use this strategy with success
    nitro? Interesting read by the way, thanks for the link.



    :)
     
    #31     Feb 11, 2002
  2. This strategy is horrible if you add to positions.

    I'm now flat and done for the day

    After closing my opening orders the market was positive so I played the long side of those trades. I ignore the shorts so that the overall market trend will be in my direction

    JNW ave execution 23.28

    EAT ave ex 31.1

    PGO ave ex 5.75

    CMH average ex 14.78



    sold EAT and PGO for losses

    losing about .10 on EAT
    and about .04 on PGO


    but.........
    sold JNW some at .38....some at .50 some at .68 than the rest at .58




    and sold my CMH at 14.95 15.04 and than 14.89

    so I made about .35 on one about .18 on the other.

    CMH seemed to have a lot of resistance
     
    #32     Feb 11, 2002

  3. I use Market Screen .com

    with filters for NYSE and multiple up days in a row /down days in a row


    Corey in this office use TC2000 and has a few screen he gets

    I found some free ones that aren't too bad on www.pcquote.com

    under screeners than with that scroll box -- in the middle scroll down to

    potential bullish reverals /LONG and potential bearish reversals /SHORT

    Robert Tharp
     
    #33     Feb 11, 2002
  4. nitro

    nitro

    version,

    As Robert says, _HIS_ strategy is _ANTITREND_ (at least the short/intermediate trend.) Therefore, IMHO, and Roberts opinion as well, adding (pyramiding) into positions in _HIS_ strategy is a _BAD_ idea.

    However, if you are trading a system that is trading with the trend, there is something to be said for Phantom's strategy of adding to the position _WHEN_IT_IS_GOING_YOUR_WAY_, and paring out of a position when it is going _AGAINST_ you.

    I know of traders that think this is a horrible idea _EVEN_ in this case. They figure, if you are going to be in a position, why not load up from the beginning, and if wrong, remove it fast. Since we are trading, they argue, and we have such great commissions, just get back in if it looks like you were originally correct. This is not what the Phantom suggests of course - that's what makes a market...

    In regards to futures vs equities of Phantom's "money management" strategy of adding to positions, I see no reason why it should matter. Yes, I do add to positions when I am _Investing_, and I do use a 3:2:1 type of strategy.

    _HOWEVER_ I do _NOT_ _TRADE_ this way!


    nitro
     
    #34     Feb 11, 2002
  5. Adding to a position today would have killed you.

    I'll post my trades for a few days to give everyone a taste to one of my systems


    The list for tomorrow

    SHort side


    Market MUST be negative to play short
    and they MUST go below closing price

    peel off positions as they work in your favor and do not add!!!
    25% retracement of daily bars run is total profit target

    AOL
    CXR
    DAB
    ETM
    GCI
    JHZ
    NVS * this was on yesterday's list. It moved a point more extreme which means the new price is a point away and the trade becomes even more juicy :cool:

    NYT
    PDX
    SCM



    Long list not as many

    BLX
    COO
    SEI


    For the long list market MUST be positive and they must be above closing price.
    Position sizing rules still apply to these as the shorts.

    Robert Tharp
     
    #35     Feb 11, 2002
  6. nitro

    nitro

    Robert,

    Thanks for the new offerings. Is there any particular reason why this system is only traded within the first hour of the day and not again?

    Do you live in Arizona and do you like to golf? :cool:

    nitro
     
    #36     Feb 11, 2002
  7. Thanks for the links Rtharp. The screener you are using looks
    like a good deal for only $49. I used to use TC2000 a few years
    ago. Checked out the freebies today at PCQuote. The one you
    are using looks a lot better than the freebies.
     
    #37     Feb 12, 2002
  8. Thanks for the informative post nitro. Even William O'Neil will
    let you add to postions as your stock goes up, so it must be
    okay! I wouldn't (and haven't) ever done this daytrading.


     
    #38     Feb 12, 2002
  9. Gee whiz rtharp, what do you do with the rest of the day after
    spending so little time trading the market? ;)

    How do you determine your entry positon sizing? Are you
    splitting your capital evenly with your positions?
     
    #39     Feb 12, 2002
  10. Awesome. Can't wait to see what Tuesday brings...


     
    #40     Feb 12, 2002