Who is not printing money?

Discussion in 'Economics' started by ValeryN, Dec 21, 2021.

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    AND the Federal Reserve has the added advantage of printing[+ destroying badly faded notes .....] what many people want/notes+ '' this note is legal tender for all debts, public + private'':D:D Its also legal for savings + commerce; but the member banks may prefer a debtor:caution::caution:
    Private + public debtors can in some cases\ forgive debt; but IRS may tax that.
    Public debtors can't forgive debt, as an election year trick though that was un-sucessfully tried last year.
    In the early years, USa used copper coins, as standard currency.[Edit; i like trading copper, stainless steel, tin.... to dealers for Fed Reserve notes]
     
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    #111     Jan 25, 2023
  2. Well, is debt or no debt, the flooding of the money supply is inflationary - I know this because I am old and remember the buying power of money from 1979 to now and the buying power of the dollar pre-covid and now. All else is hair-splitting. At one point, being a millionaire was a great thing, but now it is no assurance that you won't outlive your funds.
     
    #112     Jan 25, 2023
  3. Peter8519

    Peter8519

    Any country not printing money, is letting its currency to rise against the US$. This is a disadvantage in global competitiveness.
     
    #113     Jan 26, 2023
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  4. piezoe

    piezoe

    This statement of yours just now caught my attention and it is , I believe, a clue to the difficulty you may be having in understanding my posts on this topic. Read your sentence again, please, and note the prepositional phrase that ends it, viz., "if they can not pay it." Without this prepositional phrase the statement would be correct, but with it, your statement is categorically incorrect. The U.S. can, at its option, decide to default on its Treasury obligations. However this would never be because it can not pay. That's because the U.S. always pays for deficit spending with newly created money.* Thus the U.S. can always pay on its Treasury obligations. To the extent it does not have enough revenue to cover these obligations, it will simply create (or "print", as we like to say) the money it needs.

    As pointed out in an earlier post, by the time the Treasury issues bonds in amounts linked to the amounts of its deficits** it has already created and already spent!, the money it needed to cover those deficits. Bonds are issued not to borrow, but for entirely different purposes. (I touched on one of those purposes in an earlier post.) Today's United States never borrows! It always prints to cover its deficit spending. Therefore any default on its Treasury obligations would always be intentional and never because "...they[sic] can not pay it."

    Obviously the statutory, U.S. debt ceiling is little more than a ruse. Whether those who passed this absurd law realized it was absurd at the time they passed it, fully intending it to be useful as a ruse for extortion purposes, is unclear. Probably they did. Nevertheless, lets hope to god these, now annual, attempts of one political Party to use the debt ceiling to try extorting the other Party always fail. To default would be a calamity for much of the world's economy. Even talk of a default is dangerous. An actual default, for even 24 hours, would do great damage. I used to say that the only risk borne by holders of Treasuries was inflation. But I now recognize I was very wrong not include political risk!

    Once one discovers that the U.S. never borrows but instead always prints the additional money needed, there is a danger of thinking there are no constraints on our National spending. This is wrong. There are constraints, both internal and external. They have more to do with the rate of printing than the amount however. But that's a topic for another day.

    The other concern is what might cause the U.S. to lose its great privilege of being able to cover its debts by printing. That too is a topic for another day.
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    * This is still not understood among the general public, and it is only within the last thirty years or so that knowledge of this began to penetrate mainstream economics.

    **This is what makes it look like borrowing , although it is not.
     
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    #114     Jan 27, 2023
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    ANYthing's possible; but Argentina has wanted + used US printed bucks so long.
    They love US+ USa citizens, that could change.
    The WSJ pic of Argentina + Brazil leaders shakin' hands + yapping about another currency, may or may not be real. EWZ [Brazil ETF] has good volume\ sorry it has such a low PE\they tend to go low + lower.
    I will not say too much negative about the evil empire =russia; they sold AK to USa for $7.2 million .Press called AK purchase ''Seward's Icebox'':D:D
    I'm using printed here in a literal sense;
    not used here as Mr Musk or Bill Gates exchanges stock for US dollars or vice versa.
     
    #115     Jan 27, 2023