Which strategies work, and which don't

Discussion in 'Strategy Building' started by jcl, Apr 29, 2012.

  1. Wow, a Nobel prize in economics in 2002. Very prestigious award.

    This means he could charge more for his books and speaking fees.

    So, $1,000/book sounds about right.
     
    #11     Apr 29, 2012
  2. jcl

    jcl

    He meant employed traders in trading firms. I think the brokerage accounts of private traders or prop shops are not easily available to studies.

    His book is not only about trading, but traders are a prime example of "illusion of skill and validity".
     
    #12     Apr 29, 2012
  3. Illusion of skill and validity. Sounds like the random walk theory.

    Now it's getting interesting.

    I gotta a feeling that his work is along the lines of Jack Hershey's posts. I say this with no disrespect.

    His message is like saying that Michael Jordan's ability to play basketball is an illusion.

    Or Magic Johnson's ability to play basketball for that matter. Maybe that's why Ervin Johnson is called Magic. He puts on a good magic show. Loved his "show"time basketball.

    The author could go the philosophical route and be right. He could argue that life is an illusion.

    At the end of the day, it just becomes a Jack Hershey post. Lol.
     
    #13     Apr 29, 2012
  4. Funny you should ask, that "revelation" is what led me to this:

    http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=240708

    Far from perfect, but certainly simple. Or "stupidly simplistic" as some might say...LOL!! :p
     
    #14     Apr 29, 2012
  5. #15     Apr 29, 2012
  6. Before the book even begins, the introduction discusses the issues that impair the discretionary trader.

    This discussion involves a belief system and this is a major reason why it's difficult for a trader to switch from discretionary trading to algorithmic / automated trading.

    I have read many times from discretionary traders that there is no way a program could give you insights to how the market works. I guess these guys have no idea what data-mining is. They also do not understand that many successful automated traders use a scientific top-down approach to developing trading systems and prove trading ideas.

    Rule induced data-mining is a way of proving if a trading method is valid. This is not AI, but a method that allows a trader to see market tendencies and determine by computer simulation if the tendency is tradable. If you read a few other books, such as The Talent Code or Talent is Overrated it has been proven that practice creates talent. A computer simulator can practice years of trading in minutes that would take a trader years to complete manually. The market is changing and the new breed of day-traders will be automated.
     
    #16     Apr 29, 2012
  7. jcl

    jcl

    Interesting. If I understand your system right, this is the code:

    Code:
    	asset("SPX500");
    	BarPeriod = 60;
    	Stop = 10; 
    	Profit = 10;
    
    	if(lhour(ET) == 9) // NYSE opening hour
    		enterLong();
    	if(lhour(ET) == 15)  // NYSE closing hour 
    		exitLong();
    
    It has 52% winners, but is losing in the long run, with a 0.92 profit factor. With detrended prices the profit factor goes down to 0.88. But the system has long winning periods, almost 1 year, f.i. from mid-2009 to mid-2010.

    Such seasonal systems were the second-most profitable from what I tested. Usually, to make such a system really profitable, you let the computer generate a filter based on some data from the previous day.
     
    #17     Apr 30, 2012
  8. A few other simple ideas:

    Base the Profit and Stop on the volatility of the instrument. My research shows that this is the Single Most Important factor in regards to intra-day profit target / stop-loss placements. This is because the volatility is the most important change in price-action that occurs from day to day - Contractions and Expansions.

    While there are several different ways to calculate intra-day volatility, all you need is ONE.

    Also, the location of the OPEN is extremely helpful in determining what direction the instrument may be headed for the trading day.

    Remember, not all markets possess the same tradable tendencies and Market Based Indices are MUCH different than individual stocks or Sector-Based ETFs.
     
    #18     Apr 30, 2012
  9. TRADING TRUTH #1:
    Even with a great strategy, the outcome of any single trade is uncertain (“anything can happen”).

    TRADING TRUTH #2:
    Losses cannot be fully eliminated (“losses are the ‘costs’ of the trading ‘business’”).

    TRADING TRUTH #3, #4, #5 …. Etc:
    [I know, I know …. there are many more!]

    IMO, a “complex” strategy can be a reflection of the strategy developer’s subconscious denial of Truth #1 and Truth #2 above (i.e. an attempt by the strategist to achieve near “100%” certainty with each trade, or to accept only the smallest of losses, or even to eliminate losses completely).

    Or alternatively, a “complex” strategy may result from a belief by the strategy developer that the best(*) trades always reveal themselves in advance, in which case strategy design is just a process of refining the trade filter until eventually all trades can be certain winners.

    However, because the best trades don’t always reveal themselves in advance (Truth #1?) filtering trades too much reduces opportunities for the set up to play itself out, and can actually filter out the best trades disproportionately versus the less good/bad ones. dom993 stated it here… http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3488552#post3488552
    So, it is not that “simple is better than complex” per se (because additional complexity can turn a more simple system into a better system); it’s that sometimes “complexity” is pursued for the wrong reasons and reflects a bias that is detrimental to successful systematic trading. In which case, these complex systems will perform less well than simpler, “uncontaminated” ones.

    = = = = = = = = = = = =
    (*) BTW, I‘m using “best trade” here in the sense that it can be seen (after it’s over) that it was a big winner; I’m not using “best trade” in the sense that it looked (before the fact) like it had an excellent risk/reward ratio, and so was a risk worth taking, even though we don’t know what the eventual outcome will be.
     
    #19     Apr 30, 2012
  10. jcl

    jcl

    Indeed, eliminating losses seems in fact to make strategies less profitable. The most profitable strategies I found had a win rate in the 40% range.

    Eliminating losses is easy, just set a tight profit target, but all tested strategies so far got worse when a profit target was used at all. Which confirms that one should let the winners run.
     
    #20     May 1, 2012