didnt go through all the discussion, but just to be fair its safe to say in both there is a possibility of earning, but sustainability wise we all know its forex all day long, i have nothing against people doing hyip but i dont think ill shifting from my hotforex account anytime soon, its a mere talk about WASTED time, id rather waste it learning forex then burn it on hyip not knowing if it stays or simply disappears
I have never considered Forex as money making machine, for me, it is my work place and love to play with my trade ideas.
You put it in any way, but eventually there is only one goal in your trading and that is money making, thus it is money making machine, although it is not an easy task to make money in it.