Which came first? The chicken or the egg?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by ZZZzzzzzzz, May 26, 2006.

So which came first?

  1. The Chicken

    20 vote(s)
    74.1%
  2. The Chicken Egg

    7 vote(s)
    25.9%
  1. Chicken and egg debate unscrambled
    Egg came first, 'eggsperts' agree

    LONDON, England -- It's a question that has baffled scientists, academics and pub bores through the ages: What came first, the chicken or the egg?

    Now a team made up of a geneticist, philosopher and chicken farmer claim to have found an answer. It was the egg.

    Put simply, the reason is down to the fact that genetic material does not change during an animal's life.

    Therefore the first bird that evolved into what we would call a chicken, probably in prehistoric times, must have first existed as an embryo inside an egg.

    Professor John Brookfield, a specialist in evolutionary genetics at the University of Nottingham, told the UK Press Association the pecking order was clear.

    The living organism inside the eggshell would have had the same DNA as the chicken it would develop into, he said.

    "Therefore, the first living thing which we could say unequivocally was a member of the species would be this first egg," he added. "So, I would conclude that the egg came first."

    The same conclusion was reached by his fellow "eggsperts" Professor David Papineau, of King's College London, and poultry farmer Charles Bourns.

    Mr Papineau, an expert in the philosophy of science, agreed that the first chicken came from an egg and that proves there were chicken eggs before chickens.

    He told PA people were mistaken if they argued that the mutant egg belonged to the "non-chicken" bird parents.

    "I would argue it is a chicken egg if it has a chicken in it," he said.

    "If a kangaroo laid an egg from which an ostrich hatched, that would surely be an ostrich egg, not a kangaroo egg."

    Bourns, chairman of trade body Great British Chicken, said he was also firmly in the pro-egg camp.

    He said: "Eggs were around long before the first chicken arrived. Of course, they may not have been chicken eggs as we see them today, but they were eggs."

    The debate, which may come as a relief to those with argumentative relatives, was organized by Disney to promote the release of the film "Chicken Little" on DVD.

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/05/26/chicken.egg/index.html
     
  2. "If a kangaroo laid an egg from which an ostrich hatched, that would surely be an ostrich egg, not a kangaroo egg."

    Surrogate mother?
     
  3. Ricter

    Ricter

    Possibly, but doesn't change the fact that baby's DNA is different from mom's, right? :D
     
  4. bs..chicken came first; dunno what's so bufflin' about it; where on earth does da calcium to create an egg come from and who kept that egg warm to maintain it alive..of course if a series of extremely unplausible coincidental events did occur like in da supposed big bang than it is another matter.
     
  5. If the chicken didn't come from a chicken egg, then where did it come from?



     
  6. jem

    jem

    stork
     
  7. Sam123

    Sam123 Guest

    “Put simply, the reason is down to the fact that genetic material does not change during an animal's life.”

    That statement is preposterous. Genetic material does in fact change during an animal’s life. DNA mutations effecting sperm and egg cells do happen and can be passed down to offspring and some of these mutations increase the fitness of an animal. Chickens evolved from a long line of non-chicken egg-laying creatures, including the dinosaurs. So the first chicken embryo growing inside the first chicken egg came from a pre-chickenoid ancestor.
     
  8. egg-sactly
     
  9. So a pre-chickenoid laid a chickenoid egg.....

    I don't think so...



     
  10. wreh1

    wreh1 Guest

    the chicken.

    eggs don't have penises/vaginas.
     
    #10     May 29, 2006