Which brokers allow bitcoin futures?

Discussion in 'Crypto Assets' started by Zr1Trader, Dec 10, 2017.

  1. m22au

    m22au

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...eek-100-margin-on-some-bitcoin-futures-trades

    "Interactive Brokers Group Inc., which has said it handled 53 percent of the first day’s trading in Cboe’s bitcoin futures, will require a margin of 50 percent for long investments, and about 240 percent for short selling, based on current rates, according to Interactive spokeswoman Kalen Holliday."

    Looking now at the updated "Knowledge Base" article, (https://ibkr.info/article/3049),
    the 240% margin for short positions looks to be based on a flat rate of $40,000 margin for a short position.

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    #31     Dec 15, 2017
  2. maxinger

    maxinger

    margin requirement still very high.

    I was expecting 24 times leverage,
    not 240% margin for trading.

    for shorting CME bitcoin, margin needed would be $200 000 per lot !
    with $200 000, we can probably trade ~ 50 lots of ES !
    IB needs to rethink.

    With such a lousy margin requirement, it is better to trade other financial instruments with attractive leverage.

    anyway I believe there are other brokers which offer more attractive margin requirement.
     
    Last edited: Dec 15, 2017
    #32     Dec 15, 2017
  3. MrMuppet

    MrMuppet

    Actually, IB is very smart with this.

    The average IB customer is retail and small professionals (advisors and brokers), meaning the risk of somebody doing something stupid is rather high.

    So imagine one of the not so smart commentators in this thread shorts 24 Bitcoin Futures in a 100k $ account (24x5x20k = 2.4M notional divided by your 24 : 1 leverage is 100K) on a Friday to leave it open over the weekend...just to find out on Monday that this thing jumped 20%

    Account is 380k in the red and the guy is basically flat broke. Where does IB get the money from? Now imagine a Swiss Franc scenario where everyone and their moms is on the same side. One such trade and IB goes belly up.

    It's just not worth the risk to provide high leverage to morons in one single contract. If you want high leverage, just stay with your ES.









    And now people will chime in and be like "nah dude, nobody would be THIS stupid to use that much leverage" and I'll say: Here you go

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/h...hed-and-now-i-owe-e-trade-10644556-2015-11-19

    If I was an IB user, I'd be applauding to such a decision, because I know my funds aren't in danger due to a horde of degenerate gamblers
     
    #33     Dec 15, 2017
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  4. I agree. The margin is way too high compare to other futures.
     
    #34     Dec 15, 2017
  5. just21

    just21

    So IB changed their mind and offers outright shorts as well as calendar spreads?
     
    Last edited: Dec 15, 2017
    #35     Dec 15, 2017
  6. m22au

    m22au

    #36     Dec 15, 2017
  7. m22au

    m22au

    Last edited: Dec 16, 2017
    #37     Dec 16, 2017
  8. maxinger

    maxinger


    It looks more attractive than IB.

    unfortunately bitcoin futures volume has been very pathetic.
    so brokerage firms wouldn't earn much.

    perhaps it should be yen based or won based, or margin should be reduced drastically to increase volume.
     
    #38     Dec 16, 2017
  9. truetype

    truetype

    No one expects...
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    #39     Dec 16, 2017
  10. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    They never left.

    "Where are the customers yachts?"

    Oh BTW BTCUSD once again is making new highs.
     
    #40     Dec 16, 2017