No; I don't think it's the same. Nor did I say it's the same. Nor did I say anything like that. Nor did I imply that. I simply mentioned that I myself probably wouldn't be making a living without having read some trading books. And I'm still saying that, because it's still true. I'm surprised that pointing that out apparently incurred such wrath and forceful language. However, now that the insulting, attacking language and name-calling have been removed from your post above - I don't know whether that was by you or by a moderator - I've decided to reply anyway (for what it's worth, if anything). As a response to my observation about the great value to me of having studied some accredited textbooks, that isn't comparing apples with oranges: it's comparing apples with violin sonatas. I'm well aware that there are some comparatively undereducated and comparatively illiterate multimillionaires and billionaires. My perspective on that subject is that they're a small and extreme minority; indeed that it's partly because they're such a small and extreme minority that we've all heard of them and know something of their backgrounds. In other words, there's also some significant selection-bias and survivorship-bias at play behind your perfectly valid observation. Thanks, but I already have a PhD and - strangely enough - it was partly on the basis of already having run an independent trading business successfully that I became an institutional trader, when eventually offered a deal one simply "couldn't decline". Thanks again, but I may have a little more of a clue than you appreciated. And if you think the fact that I happen to be young and female means you can freely insult me, and/or win anyone over to your perspective with a personal attack, you might be well advised to think again. On that last point, as it happens, I pretty firmly agree with you, and have thought that for years (though I usually don't express it in quite those terms, myself). I don't understand why anyone might associate any of that "shit" with anything I said, above, but maybe you just took a guess about who you were replying to, and guessed very, very wrong? Never mind ... welcome to the forum, anyway. I may be mistaken, but I suspect that perhaps making fewer assumptions about the people with whom you interact here than you've demonstrated on this occasion might, in the long run, work both to your own advantage and to that of other members.