Whether an options writer or buyer has better edge? Why?

Discussion in 'Options' started by OddTrader, Jul 2, 2009.

  1. "Only a poor pricing will lead to a statistical hedge but again it is not inherent..."

    Are we talking about using pricing to develop a statistical hedge, or a system that has an edge because it wins in 4 of 5 possible scenarios. I think there is a difference. I believe there is an edge to selling a 2011 put on IBM for $365 that is $35 OTM as oppossed to buying a 2011 call/put that is $35 OTM.

    The most intelligent criticism of selling puts deals with risk management and I have learned the hard way about selling options with high IV to collect premium. But I believe when managed properly, collecting premium will be a more consistent income producer than buying premium.
     
    #71     Jul 3, 2009
  2. Only poor people buy options. I know this seems 'elitist', but it's absolutely bang on.



    Dackster.
     
    #73     Jul 3, 2009

  3. Well then it means that you believe the option priced in such a way that it may be so. Someone might disagree and if no-one does, well the option price will go down until someone does that's as simple as that. I think there could be a price where even you think it might be better to "switch side".

    As for the second part, I agree. Selling OTM options is a statistically advantageous way of getting regular cashflow but when you get bitten, it's a female dog...
     
    #74     Jul 3, 2009
  4. I wouldn't care about the option pricing as long as the $ taken in on selling the premium on the put makes it worthwhile when looking at carrying costs. For the IBM example, $35 is a long way for it to fall and if it did there is nothing to prevent you from shorting the stock which is the way to protect short puts.
     
    #75     Jul 3, 2009
  5. unless you are out of BP...
     
    #76     Jul 3, 2009
  6. Mark may be a nice man, but he's a dwarf compared to real options traders like Natenberg, Budwick or McMillan.

    Very insecure . .. Thus all the "disclaimers" in his forums and books . .. Rookies this, rookies that . . .
     
    #77     Jul 4, 2009
  7. gkishot

    gkishot

    I think you are confused between 'option trader' and 'option educator'.
     
    #78     Jul 4, 2009
  8. Ash1972

    Ash1972

    Here's an interesting strategy, and I'm curious to know what you all think:

    Examine stock prices over the last 100 years (or some similarly vast period of time) and try to identify the worst 3 month decline in the market over that period.

    Let's call it X%.

    Then, every day, you simply write lots of 3 month EUROPEAN puts that are (X + a little bit)% out-of-the-money.

    It will be an an ongoing money making machine until we experience the worst 3 month decline in history. Bearing in mind it will have to be worse than 1929, 1974, 2008 etc. you could be onto a winner.

    What dya all think?
     
    #79     Jul 4, 2009



  9. I appologise to Mark, for my remarks made towards him yesterday, although he's probably used to it on this site by now.


    'HiddenAgenda'


    :) What made you come up with this nick?




    Dackster.
     
    #80     Jul 4, 2009