Whether an options writer or buyer has better edge? Why?

Discussion in 'Options' started by OddTrader, Jul 2, 2009.

  1. spindr0

    spindr0

    I think that the one who has the edge is (C), the one with good timing and selection.
     
    #31     Jul 2, 2009
  2. dozu888

    dozu888

    I have an approach more from an asset allocation angle.

    say I want 50% of my portfolio in stocks, and at the moment they happen to weight 50%

    so I know if the market drops 10%, I should add to stocks to rebalance.... therefore, I can sell enough puts to anticipate a 10% drop, e.g.

    In otherwords, I am getting paid to 'wait' for a better price.

    Statistically there is a proven edge in enhancing portfolio performance by allocation in this manner, that forces you to buy low and sell high.

    So I am not necessarily selling puts to look for an edge in the option itself, but using this as a tool to help my overall portfolio edge.

    Of course certain level of technicals can be used, such as selling puts at a strike that is coincidental to a congestion level etc... no rocket science here.
     
    #32     Jul 2, 2009
  3. gkishot

    gkishot

    We are talking about stock options, right? Not bonds, gold etc.
     
    #33     Jul 2, 2009
  4. hidge

    hidge

    Although it is an ancient discussion and for the experienced trader it is pretty much clear that from pure mathematical aspect there is no edge to neither sides of the option contract,

    I think that there are some points to be considered as an advantages to the option writer:

    From a mathematical point of view I would like to make a reference for two sources:

    1. Compare the BXM (covered call benchmark index) to the S&P500 you'll find that the BXM did at least as good
    as the S&P500 over the years with 2/3 of the standard deviation - if options are priced fairly then a covered call seller should pay with a reduced return for the reduced risk that he's taking but the reality tells us that it isn't the truth (at least between 1988 - 2006).

    2. Sheldon Natenberg on his classic book "options volatility and pricing" show a 20 year research that prove that there is no normal distribution like the pricing models assume and that the truth is that near the money options are over priced while far out the money options are under priced.

    Good night all
     
    #34     Jul 2, 2009
  5. You're talking about money management and portfolio management not really anything to do with options.

    "Paid to wait" is a perception not a reality, the reality is you've received a premium to take on risk and probably didn’t receive enough, thus no or negative edge in the options.

    If you knew the market would drop 10% you would have been a fool to sell the puts before the drop.
     
    #35     Jul 2, 2009
  6. gkishot

    gkishot


    So if he buys far out of the money options he would be consistently making money. I wonder if he actually tried it?
     
    #36     Jul 2, 2009
  7. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Irrelevant, because your response was offtopic. The issue isn't option hedgies vs. the market, but option writers vs. sellers.
     
    #37     Jul 2, 2009
  8. Doesn't matter, the dynamics are the same, regardless of the asset class.
     
    #38     Jul 2, 2009
  9. It's a pretty old book. Hasn't there been a fair bit of research since then that casts significant doubt on his conclusions?
     
    #39     Jul 2, 2009
  10. gkishot

    gkishot

    The dynamics is different because there is no need to pay premium for the insurance. Those asset classes are themselves insurance.
     
    #40     Jul 2, 2009