I have heard different people say different things about the number of HHs and HLs or LLs and LHs that are needed to have a trend. Let's assume for the sake of discussion here that there are no double tops or bottoms. Here is a chart of price behavior: Each point has been numbered. Look at the chart and say where you would define each trend based on the numbered areas. For example: - We are in a confirmed up trend beginning at point 5 and lasting through point 8 - downtrend from 10-11 - no trend from point 11 - 13 - uptrend from 16-17 etc. I want to have a realistic discussion about price action that accounts for the fact that price doesn't always make nice HH/HL uptrends and LL/LH downtrends.