Where did the "90% are losers myth come from?

Discussion in 'Psychology' started by human151, Apr 21, 2009.

  1. What you are failing to grasp is the simulator ISN'T real life. I don't care how much you say that they are the same or that real life is "easier" cause when you are placing a lot of your money on the line, things change. When you start trading a lot of real money, you'll understand.

    You talk in millions but that's simulator talk. No one will respect or give a shit if you are making a ton on the simulator. All that counts is what you do with live money, live liquidity and have to make REAL trading decisions on the fly.

    Look, I won't dog anyone who is live trading and talking about what their method can EVENTUALLY produce but you walking around saying 75 million or 29 million...just STOP. Its silly beyond comprehension.

     
    #201     May 4, 2009
  2. Psychology is the root of success. It's almost everything in trading, you laugh at my bravado but it's what kept me going when times are hard. It's the result of fighting with the markets day and night. Looking at quote screens until 1AM. It's the result of staying up all night thinking about your trades. My success comes from eating, breathing, living investing. Watching foreign market movements, looking at news, screaming at the monitor. Everything, I've bailed out on promising trades to, I've made some dumb decisions but somehow I manage to come out on top. I can honestly say I've accomplished a level of professionalism in the markets.
     
    #202     May 4, 2009
  3. I'm not sure if you realized this, but I told you guys this over a hundred times I paper trade and I do real trading. Don't you get it, I've RISKED REAL CAPITAL. I've WALKED the WALK. I've been killed in some trades and I've also killed many in the markets sending them home in their diapers. I know how a stressful day on wall street feels like. I don't just paper trade, but it's not smart to expose private information. That's why I don't, no one on ET does, if they do their obviously not afraid of being hacked and losing their money but on the other hand I am.
     
    #203     May 4, 2009
  4. I won't tell you how much money my account makes but I will tell you all about my entries and exits in real life. In reality I can tell you how much I make but theirs no real way to prove it unless if I take a screen shot of my account and post it, but I'm not willing to do that because I don't want personal information out on the public domain.
     
    #204     May 4, 2009
  5. lol
     
    #205     May 4, 2009

  6. but you'll gladly share how many millions your SIM account is at or how much your 2011 options are worth (75 million SIM bucks).

    Just drop the SIM trading results. That's fine if you want to internalize the results and work the strategies into your real trading but bragging on ET about being up 25 million after a day when its all fictitious trades is just lame.

    http://elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=161513&perpage=6&pagenumber=30
     
    #206     May 4, 2009
  7. No, it's not because it just proves to yourself how much your decision making skill have developed. Also, I just used it as a reference to disprove people's opinion of me as being an average Joe trader who sucks and it's part of the 90% who fail. Because I am not.
     
    #207     May 4, 2009
  8. That's the thing, you may paper trade millions but you have no idea what it's like to trade huge sums like that in real life. Regardless of whether your real trades are based on them or not. Nobody in his right mind would say that sim trading 75mil is easier than live trading 75 mil.
     
    #208     May 4, 2009
  9. I have been told about the odds of making it and not making it so many times
    it becomes a joke.

    Some of the odds of making it success stories:

    Look kid, sorry. I know talent when I see it. You are a decent basketball
    player–but that was grammer school. This is High School. You just can’t
    compete at this high level. I am cutting you before your dreams get
    shattered. —Michael Jordan’s high school coach before he cut him from the
    team.

    Blah blah about the same quote as above. Scottie Pippen’s high school coach
    before he cut him from the team.

    You are over 65 years old. You want to start a career in the restaurant
    business? Don’t waste your social security checks.—Colonel Sanders
    friends.

    “You want to get an aircraft instrument rating in a month. HA. It took John
    Glenn 6 weeks to get his instrument rating. You are not John Glenn. Spend
    the necessary year and become a safe pilot. Alex Wasilewski’s friends and
    previous flight instructor.

    “Congratulations. You have tied the American Aviation record for the
    shortest time to achieve an FAA instrument rating.” FAA flight test
    supervisor to Alex Wasilewski. Quoted six DAYS after the previous quote.

    “What an idiot. Doesn’t he know that the leading medical and physiological
    experts have conclusively determined that the human body is incapable of
    running a mile in under 4 minutes.—- the leading experts to Roger
    Bannister about a year before he became the first human to break the 4
    minute mile barrier. Now this “impossibility” is routinely broken by very
    good high school athletes.
     
    #209     May 4, 2009
  10. That's fine, SIM trading is supposed to bolster confidence and help you step up your game. I'm not discounting the need to see ones own strategies at work before putting a lot of real money on the line. My only issue is with the bragging in terms of millions. Cause lets be honest...if you are admitting to SIM trading you are NOT trading millions.

    At the same time, don't believe necessarily that your SIM trades will be truly reflective of how you'll handle yourself in the real game. I know you said you've traded or do trade with live money but you DON'T trade on the scale that you are in your SIM trading. Those results are bogus. Thats like saying a 1 lot trader will all of a sudden be able to flip 200 lots around without incident. That's just delusional.

     
    #210     May 4, 2009