Where Did Global Warming Go?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by pspr, Jan 5, 2013.

  1. pspr

    pspr

    First it was Russia having the coldest winter in 70 years, then Alaska reported experiencing the coldest winter in decades and now this. Even Al Gore is taking money from and participating in an advisory position for one of the largest evil oil producers. Maybe one of the Al Gore worshipers here on ET can explain this to us.

    Temperatures in China have plunged to their lowest in almost three decades, cold enough to freeze coastal waters and trap 1,000 ships in ice, official media said at the weekend.

    Since late November the country has shivered at an average of minus 3.8 degrees Celsius, 1.3 degrees colder than the previous average, and the chilliest in 28 years, state news agency Xinhua said on Saturday, citing the China Meteorological Administration.

    Bitter cold has even frozen the sea in Laizhou Bay on the coast of Shandong province in the east, stranding nearly 1,000 ships, the China Daily newspaper reported.

    Zheng Dong, chief meteorologist at the Yantai Marine Environment Monitoring Center under the State Oceanic Administration, told the paper that the area under ice in Laizhou Bay was 291 square km this week.

    Transport around the country has been severely disrupted.

    Over 140 flights from the state capital airport in central Hunan province were delayed, while heavy snowfall forced the closure of some sections of the Beijing-Hong Kong-Macau Expressway, the China Daily said.

    Temperatures in the northeast fell even further, reaching a 43-year low of minus 15.3 degrees Celsius, about 3.7 degrees below the previous recorded average.


    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/05/china-weather-idUSL4N0AA0D820130105
     
  2. Oh look. I found it.

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  3. jem

    jem

    you could believe gw theory predicts cooling when it is really warming or you could say the theory is unproven speculation with a deeply flawed model.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-report-quietly-released--chart-prove-it.html

    Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released... and here is the chart to prove it
    The figures reveal that from the beginning of 1997 until August 2012 there was no discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures
    This means that the ‘pause’ in global warming has now lasted for about the same time as the previous period when temperatures rose, 1980 to 1996
    ...


    This ‘plateau’ in rising temperatures does not mean that global warming won’t at some point resume.
    But according to increasing numbers of serious climate scientists, it does suggest that the computer models that have for years been predicting imminent doom, such as those used by the Met Office and the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, are flawed, and that the climate is far more complex than the models assert.
    ‘The new data confirms the existence of a pause in global warming,’ Professor Judith Curry, chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Science at America’s Georgia Tech university, told me yesterday.
    ‘Climate models are very complex, but they are imperfect and incomplete. Natural variability [the impact of factors such as long-term temperature cycles in the oceans and the output of the sun] has been shown over the past two decades to have a magnitude that dominates the greenhouse warming effect.
    ‘It is becoming increasingly apparent that our attribution of warming since 1980 and future projections of climate change needs to consider natural internal variability as a factor of fundamental importance.’
    Professor Phil Jones, director of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, who found himself at the centre of the ‘Climategate’ scandal over leaked emails three years ago, would not normally be expected to agree with her. Yet on two important points, he did.
    The data does suggest a plateau, he admitted, and without a major El Nino event – the sudden, dramatic warming of the southern Pacific which takes place unpredictably and always has a huge effect on global weather – ‘it could go on for a while’.


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  4. I can't believe you keep repeating that debunked "met office" piece. Nothing but two cherry picked points and proof that you are as clueless as the other denier morons that keep repeating it. There is NO change in TREND.
     
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  6. The British newspaper the Mail on Sunday and its writer David Rose are notorious for publishing misleading (at best) climate-related articles, as we have discussed previously here, for example. They have recently struck again, claiming that according to a "quietly released" Met Office report, global warming stopped 16 years ago (a myth which Skeptical Science debunks here and here). This assertion is entirely fabricated, as the Met Office explained by publishing David Rose's inquiry and the Met Office's responses.


    "Firstly, the Met Office has not issued a report on this issue. We can only assume the article is referring to the completion of work to update the HadCRUT4 global temperature dataset compiled by ourselves and the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit.

    We announced that this work was going on in March and it was finished this week. You can see the HadCRUT4 website here."


    Rose's factually challenged article was predictably reproduced uncritically by the usual climate denial blogs and referenced by Fox News, perhaps in an attempt to distract from this year's record-breaking Arctic sea ice minimum. However, virtually every point made in the article was factually incorrect, as Rose would have known if he were a Skeptical Science reader, because we recently pre-bunked his piece.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/oct/16/daily-mail-global-warming-stopped-wrong
     
  7. pspr

    pspr

    ....the computer models that have for years been predicting imminent doom, such as those used by the Met Office and the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, are flawed....

    From the other comments I see from the GW scientists that they aren't ready to toss in the towel just yet. It seems they think it is an unexplained 'plateau' of undetermined duration before GW resumes. But, the simple fact is that the next move in global temperatures is as likely to be lower as higher since they have been shown to be looking under the wrong rocks for their answers.
     
  8. jem

    jem

    fc your article proves the point then covers it with bullshit...

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environme...g-stopped-wrong

    "The Skeptical Science temperature trend calculator can be used to test this question. The trend in the HadCRUT4 global surface temperature dataset since 1997 is 0.084 ± 0.152°C per decade (although we have not yet updated the HadCRUT4 data, the GISS and NCDC datasts show a similar warming trend since 1997). While the trend is not statistically significant, the central value is positive, meaning the average surface temperature has most likely warmed over this period."


    The "warming trend" is not statistically significant. get it.
    no warming can be found in the data.

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    An update to the article I posted.


    here is one of the scientists quoted in the article.

    Q Is the world warming or not?


    Expert Judith Curry
    A The Hadcrut 4 figures that show a ‘pause’ in warming lasting nearly 16 years are drawn from more than 3,000 measuring stations on land and at sea. Hadcrut 4 is one of several similar global databases that reveal the same thing: that since January 1997 there has been no statistically significant warming of the Earth’s surface.
    Between 1980 and the end of 1996, the planet warmed at a rate close to 0.2 degrees per decade. Since then, says the Met Office, the trend has been a much lower 0.03 degrees per decade.
    However, world average temperature measurements are subject to an error of plus or minus 0.1 degrees, while any attempt to calculate a trend for the period 1997-2012 has an in-built statistical error of plus or minus 0.4 degrees. The claim that there has been any statistically significant warming for the past 16 years is therefore unsustainable.


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  9. pspr

    pspr

    FC, why don't you just jump over to our side? If any global warming were man made we wouldn't have had the 16 year plateau. CO2 increases would not have let this happen if they were a significant warming gas at the low percentages they are at.

    Anything less from you just confirms you are an ideologue and not a serious seeker of the truth.
     
  10. 377OHMS

    377OHMS

    If you believed AGW was real you wouldn't likely continue to install air conditioners for a living. It's really all about taxation and income redistribution only you don't have the oysters to admit it.

    I'm an arch-conservative yet have a much smaller carbon footprint than you. How do you account for that disparity?

    You really need not answer that because everyone here knows that your job and lifestyle do not align with your flawed views. Driving a gas guzzler and installing AC for a living while spewing AGW nonsense is pure hypocrisy.
     
    #10     Jan 5, 2013