Where are the TRUE Prop Trading firms?

Discussion in 'Prop Firms' started by ProTrader432, Feb 22, 2011.

  1. fanews

    fanews

    Prop firms is mostly daytrading.

    daytrading futures is same as daytrading stocks.


     
    #21     Mar 21, 2011
  2. They find you, the days of hanging out at Cactus in Chicago and getting staked are long gone.
     
    #22     Mar 21, 2011
  3. Actually, Schonfeld let go of 15% of its staff, according to this article:

    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-07-06/schonfeld-to-fire-50-traders-as-speed-curbs-profits.html

    Chimera is still around, and is one of the few "true prop" trading firms:

    http://www.chimerasecurities.com

    You're right about the new exam, tentatively called the Series 56, which applies to CBOE prop firms, "shady" or not.

    http://www.sec.gov/rules/sro/cboe/2010/34-63314.pdf
     
    #23     Mar 21, 2011
  4. I think all Hedge Funds are TRUE Prop Trading firms
     
    #24     Mar 21, 2011
  5. Prop, 20 yeas ago and on, used to mean you got staked 100% after digging ditches as a runner or a clerk at an exchange and showing promise, or by whatever other relationship you could extablish. That was a mono on mono, don't care about your pedigree, make me money, time.

    The whole subject needs to be put in context over time to come to a defination as to what it means today. SAC used to stake guys with nothing more than a reference and a one strike and you are out gig.

    It is a broad subject and very misunderstood.


     
    #25     Mar 21, 2011
  6. bone

    bone

    Great way of thinking about it. The traditional Chicago Prop business model involves day-trading derivatives and the trader being both staked 100% and also having a draw salary.
     
    #26     Mar 21, 2011
  7. Agreed. However, even for the equity prop business model that stake the traders 100% and pay a salary/draw, if they are a CBSX member, then they're regulated by their SRO, so I guess they can't really be called a "hedge fund" in the traditional sense.
     
    #27     Mar 21, 2011
  8. LEAPup

    LEAPup

    Agreed.
     
    #28     Mar 21, 2011
  9. That's the only post so far that is really useful. Thanks Lucias
     
    #29     Jun 5, 2011
  10. But seriously, why bother going "true" prop if you are already successful? Besides 50% of your profits, what else do you need to give away for such a deal? A firm covering your losses is not worth much at all -- you're consistently profitble, correct?. A salary? Same thing.

    Sure I can see if one traded very liquid markets and got immediate access to 10x more capital to trade, a firm would be able to sell a deal and take advantage of a trader just starting to turn the corner. But for seasoned profitable traders, all the leverage for larger markets could easily be found in futures/derivatives markets, correct?
     
    #30     Jun 5, 2011