When will trading in the SP stop?

Discussion in 'Index Futures' started by guy2, Feb 9, 2006.

When will trading in the SP stop?

  1. before 2008

    7 vote(s)
    6.3%
  2. 2008

    8 vote(s)
    7.2%
  3. 2009

    8 vote(s)
    7.2%
  4. 2010

    10 vote(s)
    9.0%
  5. 2011

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. 2012

    1 vote(s)
    0.9%
  7. 2013

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. 2014

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. after 2014

    13 vote(s)
    11.7%
  10. never

    64 vote(s)
    57.7%
  1. The ES is too small a contract. If you're doing real size the commish becomes a factor. Ideally, the CME or someone else will introduce a full-sized electronic contract.

    I can see the current ES getting squeezed out at some point. The small spec's will prefer the ER2, the big players will want a full-size contract.
     
    #21     Feb 11, 2006
  2. guy2

    guy2

    You should be able to execute that more easily in the ES - you can see the size bid/ask at 5 levels below/above current bid/ask and can immediately see how much the market can handle and what your fill will be if you execute at market.
     
    #22     Feb 14, 2006
  3. FredBloggs

    FredBloggs Guest

    when you are a clearing member of the exchange (ie big player) you part own the exchange. costs are less of an issue - even v some big prop trader who does not clear himself.

    splippage is a bigger cost to these folk than transaction fees.
     
    #23     Feb 15, 2006
  4. guy2

    guy2

    I think that the CBOT's new big DJIA future is another nail in the big S&P500 futures coffin. CBOT are obviously not trying to take liquidity away from their $5 and $10 DJIA futures but rather trying to lure business from the CME and so their big future may tempt some big S&P500 proxy funds.
     
    #24     Feb 18, 2006
  5. patoo

    patoo

    Personally, I wish the sharks would continue to swim in their own pool. Those guys certainly don't have my interests in mind. I wish the pit would never stop.

    As more and more huge trades fly by on the time and sales window, I see the inevitable happening soon.
     
    #25     Feb 18, 2006
  6. romik

    romik

  7. guy2

    guy2

    #27     Mar 4, 2006
  8. guy, very good analysis.

    Wrt "What keeps people trading the SP?" A reason why many bigger players preferred the SP vs ES is the cost issue.

    CME used to charge (and still does to a point) ABSURD fees for the electronic contract. These costs really add up if one trades BIG size.

    Also, the tick-size issue 0.1pt vs 0.25pt.

    I think those 2 factors support the pit, but as you pointed out, trends are in place.
     
    #28     Mar 4, 2006
  9. guy2

    guy2

    What is the typical cost of trading 1 SP versus 5 ES?
     
    #29     Mar 19, 2006
  10. duard

    duard

    If you're a member costs are not really an issue.
     
    #30     Mar 19, 2006