When P-C parity does not hold

Discussion in 'Options' started by Baozi, Aug 13, 2019.

  1. Robert Morse

    Robert Morse Sponsor

    I'm not confusing anything and very confident in my knowledge and comments. Don't you think it is interesting with thousands of eyes on these threads, no one has agreed with you? I'm happy to have a quick call, but this is not helping you understand and I find that I'm repeating myself.
     
    #61     Aug 27, 2019
  2. Alexpung

    Alexpung

    put call parity just means you can construct a call with a put and underlying and vice versa, it doesn't mean risk and carrying cost does not need to be priced in.

    Kind of silly to say put call parity does not hold if an option is priced differently because of the dividend.
     
    #62     Aug 27, 2019
  3. Robert Morse

    Robert Morse Sponsor

    Put-call parity means if you calculate the current price of the conversion and reversal, they match closely with current interest rates to hold long stock or be short stock and include dividends and possible early assignment.

    Conversion= Long Stock, Short call, long puts on the same line.
    Reversal is the other side.

    If these are out of line and you can easily make a profit from the miss-pricing, you would execute that trade until they are inline. As everyone has another cost basis, there are times when a customer can do a trade with a MM/Firm and both make/save money. That does not mean there is not P-C parity.
     
    #63     Aug 27, 2019
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  4. ironchef

    ironchef

    You are wasting your time.

    He just want you to agree with him that put call parity doesn't hold and you can print money trading it. Why don't you just let him print money?
     
    #64     Aug 27, 2019
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  5. tommcginnis

    tommcginnis

    This reminds me of Efficient Market Theory -- which never holds up.
    "Yes, it does."o_O
    No, it doesn't.
    "It absoLUTEly does." :mad:
    No, it really, honestly, doesn't.
    "YES, IT DOES!!" :caution::caution::caution:
    Okay, you're right: trade it.
    "What??" :wtf:



    ["But, like, I thought you were all Ivory Tower and everything??" I *am*, bro. I *am*. But the Ivory Tower has stairs; let's you be grounded.]
     
    #65     Aug 27, 2019
  6. Baozi

    Baozi

    A simple question I asked became a 7 page thread, wow..

    So, to put it in layman terms, P-C always holds because long underlying = short P + long C +extra fat ( divs, interest rates, cost of carry etc..).

    That extra fat will always be equal to the difference between the equation terms, so in a certain sense I'm wondering if PC is really something that exists or if it's a construct that we need to have in place to satisfy the no arbitrage/efficient market condition. But is it really so? All the time? Could it be that somebody sometimes is able to steal some extra fat?
     
    #66     Aug 27, 2019
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  7. jamesbp

    jamesbp

    We can agree to disagree whether put-call parity holds for American Options
    ... but I rest my case with an extract from John Hull's "Options Futures and Other Derivatives"

    #1 Put-Call parity only holds for European Options

    pcp_Parity ( Hull #1 ).png


    #2 Put-Call parity does not hold for American Options
    pcp_Parity ( Hull #2 ).png
     
    #67     Aug 27, 2019
  8. ironchef

    ironchef

    And for me as a retail, I cannot make $ because the upper and lower bounds are so close.

    It is like early exercise, not worth my effort.

    And this is my final post on this subject since I am just a pleb.
     
    #68     Aug 27, 2019
  9. tommcginnis

    tommcginnis

    "...However, it is possible to use arbitrage arguments to obtain upper and lower bounds for the difference between the price of an American call and the price of an American put." [Hull, as above.]

    I know -- you missed this part. And missed that arbitrage arguments were not present in Hull's simplification. JUST LIKE EMH models that assume instantaneous dispersion of information -- so, no need for Information Theory or dispersion models or adoption models or any of that other, silly, rot. :rolleyes: Just set those arguments too, to zero.

    Til you have to trade it. :wtf:

    :D
     
    #69     Aug 27, 2019
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  10. ironchef

    ironchef

    Can you run those by me again? o_O :banghead:
     
    #70     Aug 27, 2019