When P-C parity does not hold

Discussion in 'Options' started by Baozi, Aug 13, 2019.

  1. He didn't lose. You didn't understand his very accurate, informative response. I suggest you try reading what he wrote again and digest it this time.

    You are getting cute w words. Most likely saying the same thing.

    P/C parity always holds. I won't be jumping into your hypothetical as your perspective and facts are both flawed.

    The difference is always some extra risk being priced into p vs c. Early exercise plus cost of carry plus extreme market conditions can do some bizarre things to markets . Shocking, I know :)

    If you want to point me to a product, id be happy to explain what's happening. I would need to know the product, all bids/offers for every p/c as well as the underlying, to give you a high school level explanation.
     
    #51     Aug 26, 2019
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  2. jamesbp

    jamesbp

    How exactly are my facts flawed ...

    I have provided the simplest of examples to illustrate the point that p-c parity does not necessarily hold for American Options.

    Why not provide me with your explanation of why you think it does hold using the example provided ...
     
    #52     Aug 26, 2019
  3. Robert Morse

    Robert Morse Sponsor

    Because you are using the CBOE calculator not realtime markets.
     
    #53     Aug 26, 2019

  4. Lol, $10 div into a $100 stock? Why do you think the American call is worth $9.96 more?

    This is options 101.

    P/C parity always holds .
     
    #54     Aug 26, 2019
  5. jamesbp

    jamesbp

    Spot Price $100
    Dividend $10
    $80 strike
    ... call price ... Euro Settlement $10.04 / American Settlement $20.00
    ... put price ... Euro Settlement $0.04 / American Settlement $0.04

    What is your p-c parity calculation for each Euro / Amer settlement ?
     
    #55     Aug 26, 2019
  6. learn the basics, then come back
     
    #56     Aug 26, 2019
  7. jamesbp

    jamesbp

    Why not just answer a simple question
    ... what is your p-c parity calculation for the example given ?
     
    #57     Aug 26, 2019
  8. jamesbp

    jamesbp

    Bob

    Glad to see you are back in this discussion ...

    The point of using an option model was to provide a simple illustration the fact that put-call parity doesn't necessarily hold for ITM options with American Style exercise and dividends before expiry

    Are you now saying that ... the model clearly shows that put-call parity doesn't necessarily hold for ITM options with American Style exercise and dividends before expiry ... but in the real time markets put-call parity does hold

    If you don't like the CBOE/iVol option model I have used
    ... feel free to suggest another option model of your choice
    ... generate prices for the example given
    ... show put-call parity exists

    Shouldn't be too difficult with all the resources you have at Lightspeed

    Cheers
    James
     
    #58     Aug 27, 2019
  9. Robert Morse

    Robert Morse Sponsor

    James,

    The problem is that you are looking for an answer in the manner that you’re looking at the world, which is unrealistic. I have tried to explain to you that put call parity needs to be in place or someone would take it vantage of The miss-pricing. The markets are efficient. Your example is not relevant as is theoretical and not real.
     
    #59     Aug 27, 2019
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  10. jamesbp

    jamesbp

    Bob

    You are confusing non-arbitrage with put-call pariy.

    We agree that markets are efficiently priced and there are few ( if any ) arbitrage opportunities arising from option mis-pricing.

    Just put your math where your mouth is ... should be simple for a man with your resources to show that put-call parity holds for American Style options with dividends before expiry

    Pick any example you want !

    Cheers
    James
     
    #60     Aug 27, 2019