When it comes to crime, Democrats are in danger of being mugged by reality

Discussion in 'Politics' started by ipatent, Feb 2, 2022.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Yes -- and a combination of both make up the police budget -- and must be taken into account.

    For example if the federal government eliminated a yearly grant then the local Durham police department would need to make the hard decision to fund the four positions out of local general funds or to let the officers go. The general fund police budget each year is built on the basis of what federal funds will be provided.

    In the same way the county school system budget is built on funds coming from the federal government, state government, and local government. All three parts encompass the school budget. You don't just consider the local component to be the school budget -- and make claims about the overall school funding. If the local component goes up but the state & federal school budget components drop causing the overall budget to decrease -- you would not claim that the schools are not being defunded because the local budget went up. To do so would be absurd.
     
    #171     Feb 16, 2022
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  2. userque

    userque

    To the question as to whether the city chose to defund the police, you have to look at the city's budget. The city council doesn't control Federal grant monies.

     
    #172     Feb 16, 2022
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  3. ipatent

    ipatent

    They have the discretion to make up the difference. Again, how much was Durham paying for public safety before the string of Federal supplementation?
     
    #173     Feb 16, 2022
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  4. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    No,it doesnt.Only an idiot would think that lower federal grant money is defunding the police
     
    #174     Feb 16, 2022
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  5. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    For Durham PD more and more every year.
     
    #175     Feb 16, 2022
  6. ipatent

    ipatent

    They never decreased their contribution when the Federal money was flowing?
     
    #176     Feb 16, 2022
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    So let's say the Durham County school system increases its local funding from $20 million to $25 million. However the state reduced their funding of local schools from $25 million to $10 million. And the federal government reduced their funding of the local schools from $10 million to $5 million.

    This means the total school budget this year is $35 million. Last year it was $55 million.

    Are you telling me the local schools have not been defunded because the local component of the budget increased by 25%?

    Let me know.

    And by the way how are you going to tell all the teachers you are firing that the schools have not been defunded.
     
    #177     Feb 16, 2022
  8. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    The city gave Durham PD more and more money every year.You can verify that with the links to the budget GWB provided
     
    #178     Feb 16, 2022
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  9. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    Lets say the city of Durham gave Durham PD more and more money every year.You can verify that with the links to the budget that you provided.
     
    #179     Feb 16, 2022
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  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    Here is the information for the earlier years.


    2011
    General Fund
    $49,282,952
    613 FTEs
    Grant Funds: $1,152,620
    16 FTEs

    2012
    $52,687,229
    631 FTEs
    Grant Funds: $1,177,251

    2013
    General Fund: $52,933,983
    616 FTEs
    Grant Funds: $1,667,251
    16 FTEs

    2014
    General Fund: $54,104,265
    633 FTEs
    Grant Funds: $1,584,611
    0 FTEs

    2015
    General Fund: $54,622,490
    637 FTEs
    Grant Funds: $1,532,638
    0 FTEs

    2016
    General Fund: $57,797,159
    656 FTEs
    Grant Funds: $1,422,919
    0 FTEs

    2017
    General Fund: $60,620,469
    656 FTEs
    Grant Funds: $1,235,757
    16 FTEs

    2018
    General Fund: $64,135,010
    656 FTEs
    Grant Funds: $1,235,757
    16 FTEs


    But let me reiterate -- the budget for a police department, school system or any other government entity consists of the budgeted money from all sources.

    Note that police departments (and other entities) can turn down federal money. For example Durham turned down money for the federal 287(g) program used to deport illegal immigrants. So the local governments do have a choice in determining whether to use local, state or federal funds to finance operations of many government entities run by local governments. The city can effectively defund the police by rejecting the federal grants as well -- they don't need to defund by only limiting local money.
     
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    #180     Feb 16, 2022