When is too many options, too many?

Discussion in 'Options' started by HappyTrader, Jan 19, 2018.

  1. tommcginnis

    tommcginnis

    The conversation seems to have devolved a bit.
    But here's a pull from yesterday afternoon.

    SPXvol_OIJan18pmCapture.PNG

    Make of it what you will.
     
    #11     Jan 19, 2018
  2. ironchef

    ironchef

    It is very interesting to find someone having similar problems.

    From my experience, in thinly traded options, all bid/ask are put up by MM. If my trading volume was much greater than MM's bid/ask quantities, I moved the market. It is also true that when I held most OI, in a jam I often could not find anyone to trade with unless I gave my position away.

    I am just a mom and pop retail trader so could be doing it all wrong. I like some feedback and coaching too.
     
    #12     Jan 20, 2018
  3. ajacobson

    ajacobson

    There are a couple of things to consider overall.

    How liquid is the underlying.
    Is the option multiply listed.
    Am on planning on exiting early or for some specific event.
    Thinly traded and low open interest are GENERALLY more of a concern at exit than entry.

    Good liquidity in the underling and multiple listing is a plus a huge plus. Multiple listing and thinly traded don't really go hand in hand, but names often go from unpopular to popular for some event and vice versa.
    There isn't much liquidity outside of the top 10 or 20 names based on screen markets and it generally worse on down days.
    Can your broker's trading desk algo an order so it hit's multiple markets when you want to exit?
    If you need to get out of 100 contracts - hit the top of the book on 10 exchanges - your transaction costs may go up,but your overall friction may be a lot lower. Of course it needs to listed on 10 exchanges for that to work.
     
    #13     Jan 20, 2018
  4. ironchef

    ironchef

    How do I do that?
     
    #14     Jan 20, 2018
  5. truetype

    truetype

    Not sure what you're talking about. You can trade at middle'ish prices in ATM options in hundreds of stocks.
     
    #15     Jan 20, 2018
  6. ironchef

    ironchef

    Not if you trade several thousand contracts a pop.
     
    #16     Jan 20, 2018
  7. Macallik

    Macallik

    Not a fan of the way that they trade on OptionAlpha, but in terms of theorizing about Option Trading in an easy-to-understand manner, they are a good resource and have a podcast episode about trading illiquid options here:

     
    #17     Jan 20, 2018
  8. ajacobson

    ajacobson

    Are you in fact trading several thousand a pop or is it just hypothetical ? Often easier to get several thousand done because an institutional broker will facilitate and tie the trade to stock. Again you increase you transaction costs, but lower your friction overall.
    You'll need an institutional brokerage relationship established. So you'll need a level of activity and capital that interests them. The interest issue will be key so it will depend a lot on the other business you bring. Your order becomes a qualified contingent cross. About 75% of all trades 1000 or more are QCCs. Very name dependent.
     
    #18     Jan 20, 2018
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  9. ironchef

    ironchef

    Of course hypothetical. :D

    Me? Perhaps 5-10% of that at most. Are you telling me is if I trade over 100, I should talk to my broker?
     
    #19     Jan 21, 2018
  10. ajacobson

    ajacobson

    "Me? Perhaps 5-10% of that at most. Are you telling me is if I trade over 100, I should talk to my broker?"

    Hypothetically yes if you having a challenge sourcing liquidity, but it only hypothetical.
     
    #20     Jan 21, 2018