When evaluating your trading results, is it proper to compare to a simple buy and hold?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Tall Mike, Jul 23, 2023.

  1. Axon

    Axon

    I'm glad you got that out. I hope you feel better since based on your posts it's unlikely your trading results give you any happy feelings. Now read this quick because it's back to ignore and me forgetting you ever existed.
     
    Last edited: Jul 25, 2023
    #21     Jul 25, 2023
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  2. PPC

    PPC

    English is my second language, but hopefully someone will be able to translate the following into proper English:

    You certainly are not interested in having civilized, rational conversation, instead you immediately resort to emotional outbursts and insults like a little immature boy as a response to your unmet needs or desires. (something to think about, maybe you could work on your composure instead of repeatetly insulting people)

    Maybe your “anticipated drawdowns to be somewhere in the ballpark of annual return, at most double” are the source of your insecurity and need to bolster your fragile ego.

    Your reply to @Tall Mike revealed number of hints that you’re an amateur trader. Nothing wrong with that, everyone is on different path, however your nonsensical babbling in your response to him was self-serving without any value, a reflection of inexperienced trader. For clarification purposes, my definition of experience in not based on time, but rather on knowledge and ability to trade)

    Also, your option knowledge and strategies would benefit from bit more insight (you’re not the only one who trades options) but it was fun to read :)

    See you
     
    #22     Jul 25, 2023
  3. which user are you quoting?
    I don't see anything but these as comments on the post.
     
    #23     Jul 25, 2023
  4. Late to the party, just my two cents.
    When I read Ernest P Chan books on automated trading he pointed out a couple of times that an algo that does not improve over a buy and hold investment should not be used for trading.
    It does make sense, why would you go for the trouble to set up a trading practice if you could just wait for your money to grow peacefully.
     
    #24     Jul 25, 2023
  5. PPC

    PPC

    The quote was from @Axon’s post #3, he believes in very volatile equity curve with massive drawdowns, and he doesn't seem to believe in cutting losses (worst advice one can give), here it is highlighted:

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    My last two responses in this thread was to his immature insults and name calling.

    There are quite a few people on this (and other) forums that don’t know how to trade, they just post for narcistic reasons instead of trying to help.

    At the same time there are also many good traders on this forum helping others, but one has to scroll through lots of nonsense in many threads to get to the good stuff.
     
    #25     Jul 25, 2023
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  6. %%
    MOSTLY right ;
    except TAndy gave you some points about doing> better than SPY. 80% dont
    Before any get to excited a bout a sharp ratio check out a sharp ratio on on 10 year SPY, 10 year SSO.
    I tend to edit out fake words like ''luck''
     
    #26     Jul 25, 2023
  7. The whole purpose of trading is two fold:

    1. Beat the Buy and Hold strategy
    2. Avoid the bear market drawdowns that are guaranteed in buy and hold

    How you do that is the difficult part. Day trading is theoretically the ideal way because each day is a universe all unto itself and independent of all longer term trends. But, it is the by far the steepest and longest learning curve and only a few eventually make the grade.

    Otherwise, you just have to figure it out. Something that works for you.
     
    #27     Jul 29, 2023
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  8. ironchef

    ironchef

    #1. Absolutely, otherwise, why trade? Might as well go fishing.

    #2. With a 20 year time horizon, most time periods have positive returns, no drawdowns.
     
    #28     Jul 30, 2023
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  9. deaddog

    deaddog

    What do you consider a drawdown? In a 20 year time period I would expect several drawdowns.
    I would also expect an investment in a market ETF to be higher. Although it might be quite a rollercoaster ride to get there.
    Not so much with individual stocks.
     
    #29     Jul 30, 2023
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  10. %%
    Good ;
    #2 sounds more common with longer trades or investments, than daytrades.
    Some exceptions may apply.:D:D
     
    #30     Jul 31, 2023
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