When Danger Lurks In Front of Cash Secured Puts

Discussion in 'Options' started by SpanishMainCapital, Sep 7, 2016.

  1. "Tradelosses" I'm beginning to question you. Nothing but negative comments, and the ones that aren't ..make you sound like you have no clue about trading.
     
    #11     Sep 8, 2016
  2. the stats show 95% of traders fail. that means most posts about trading are going to be wrong.
     
    #12     Sep 8, 2016
  3. Here is another stat, Put selling is the most lucrative option trading strategy there is :
    Also for every 95 people 5 are profiting per your stat , how many of those 95 are trading straight stocks and not options , or dont understand how to calculate probability , or understand delta or theta?
    That number will fall once you include them.

    Finally even Buffet does this on 10-15 year horizons, so if its good for Mr Buffet it's good for me.

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    #13     Sep 8, 2016
  4. How far in the money is the 'ITM' put? and how long the duration? I read that selling monthly and weekly ATM puts gives good results. I have seen much less literature on ITM puts though.
     
    #14     Sep 8, 2016

  5. TD ameritrade is a joke...read here https://www.reddit.com/r/options/comments/50ouq4/td_ameritradetos_gives_bad_fills_and_profits_from/

    many people report that TD Ameritrade readily executes fat finger trades.

    highest commission and worst fills. Many people report this. not just me.

    They never fill below the limit price on option trades and made $400 million in 2013 and 400 million in 2014 from payment order flow operations.
     
    #15     Sep 8, 2016
  6. I pay 50c a contract and closing under 5c is free. I rarely trade stocks, sometimes covered calls which is 7.5$. This is somewhat on par with IB but the tools on TOS are terrific.
    I typically use Persons Pivot Study to check the arrows before final execution , has worked almost every single time.

    On TOS I first set the position to Analyse then move to Trade at mid and execute, never had a problem, almost always based on liquidity it executes at mid anyways YMMV.
     
    #16     Sep 8, 2016
  7. NPTrader

    NPTrader

    I've traded options IB, e-trade, and TOS with TDA in 7 figure accounts for 5 years now. There was a period of time where I was co-trading TOS & IB at the same time to see which provider gave better fills. Got the same fill price on both vendors no matter how I structured the trade.

    For the same volume, I pay about 50% less in commissions with TOS, and I don't have any auto-liquidation concerns with TOS. So I am very happy.
     
    #17     Sep 8, 2016
  8. ironchef

    ironchef

    According to your source then, everyone made money, whether you went long or short, calls or puts if you had a 10 year or even better 20 year horizons?

    How do you explain the "zero sum" hypothesis of trading: Namely if the buyer of an option makes money, the seller must lose the same amount?
     
    #18     Sep 8, 2016
  9. I dont know why, but I can wager a guess.

    All these puts are probably bought by institutions as part of their protective puts outlay. They probably allayed that cost by selling calls.

    Buffet sold 5 B $ of puts in 2006 , they are now expiring, who do you think bought them? Institutions.
     
    #19     Sep 9, 2016
  10. ironchef

    ironchef

    So Buffett made money selling puts when they expire worthless. The buyers of his puts lose all their money so how can they be equally profitable buying puts?
     
    #20     Sep 9, 2016