Wheel strategy un hedged

Discussion in 'Trading' started by wxytrader, Dec 25, 2023.

  1. I don't know man...the notational value I use for returns is how many 2008 Lambo's they will get me. :)
     
    #61     Dec 28, 2023

  2. Ok so turns out the above results are unsustainable since the system breaks down if you go out far enough. (D was correct)
    So here are the new results I get with hedging if I started the wheel strategy on DEC30 2022 ending DEC27 2023:

    Selling 1 weekly put 1 OTM taking all assignments and selling 1 weekly OTM call.

    Total Premium: $11,399.00
    Short (RWM) position close: -$2,565.79
    Net Premium: $8,833.21
    Fees: -$429.00
    Net Income: $8,404.21
    Monthly income: $690.76


    This does not include double dipping (selling a put when selling a call).
     
    Last edited: Dec 29, 2023
    #62     Dec 29, 2023
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  3. After plugging in all the numbers for last year, it looks like running the wheel daily would have returned well for IWM with RWM as a hedge, if you ignored the break evens.
     
    #63     Jan 1, 2024
  4. tsfx

    tsfx

    Obviously, the shorter your duration the more you get premium per unit of time basis but the more you need margin to keep averaging down.

    Don't forget that 1 ES is 230k usd notional.

    How much money do you need in your account to keep the wheel spinning? Cause you can't close in between when you're in a loss.

    And btw, how much does risk free depo pay today for 1 year if you depo'd that 230k? More than your PnL from your wheel strategy. So, why all the hassle in the first place?
     
    #64     Jan 2, 2024
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  5. destriero

    destriero


    Not to be pedantic, but it’s notional.
     
    #65     Jan 2, 2024
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  6. taowave

    taowave

    LOL....Had no idea what you were talking about...until I read the quote.."Notational"????

    Thats a term you dont hear every day



     
    #66     Jan 2, 2024
  7. Notational value … like “sanscrite still has some notational value despite not being spoken for millennia”
     
    #67     Jan 2, 2024
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  8. So while researching various growth dividends, I stumbled across a new firm that is basically employing a version of my Hulk strategy, which gives it credence, but it took them a team of 20 professionals to discover it...I did it using a simple spreadsheet, while binge watching youtube. :)

    Premiums will easily compensate for any drawdowns according to my spreadsheet using historical data.

    Not if the strategy is done in the conventional way.
     
    Last edited: Jan 26, 2024
    #68     Jan 26, 2024
  9. "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds."
     
    #69     Jan 26, 2024
  10. taowave

    taowave

    Yawn...when you get past page 11 in Macmillan,wake me up....


     
    #70     Jan 26, 2024
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