What's wrong with Iron Condors

Discussion in 'Options' started by jb514, May 5, 2011.

  1. Gotcha, you were just giving a theoretical use for VIX in back testing and not meaning to imply that shorting VIX is a direct substitution for a short Var Swap.
     
    #81     May 11, 2011
  2. sle

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    Yessir. Ok, my market is closed so I am gonna take a stab at opening a vol thread.
     
    #82     May 11, 2011
  3. It's not?
     
    #83     May 11, 2011
  4. Why distinguish between a bear call and bear put spread? Why must one trade a call vertical? Any atm fly can achieve those results passively. Are you really trying to insinuate that there is some edge here?

    If so, it didn't happen without more detail.
     
    #84     May 11, 2011
  5. Create a synthetic short VIX via Vix options.
    Now take a short S&P variance swap.

    Same r:r curve?
     
    #85     May 11, 2011
  6. Preference for bear calls over bear puts comes with assignment issues. Has nothing to do with r:r profile.

    Yes I believe there is an edge here, but I specifically haven't gone into greater detail. :D
     
    #86     May 11, 2011
  7. No, because the VIX options are marked to a forward var swap (futures). Just because it's a fwd swap doesn't make it less a var swap. Var swaps carry duration.
     
    #87     May 11, 2011
  8. SPX is Euro.

    Right, understood. Trading verticals and gamma trading = edge. Sweet. So you're trading OTM short call verticals. And unless you're selling the 10-box over 10 it's not edge.
     
    #88     May 11, 2011
  9. Exactly, but the point was that they are not traded the same. Vix always represents the forward price. For that reason, they will not serve the purposes of say a short vol 30-day variance swap.
     
    #89     May 11, 2011
  10. No, trading verticals randomly = no edge.

    I'm suggesting certain conditions in which there might be a significant statistical edge in short vol on SPX.

    This suggested the use of a var swap to profit from the conditions. Further analysis lead me to believe that there was more alpha to be had in adding a gamma scalp when possible. This made me lean more toward the bear vertical. SPX is euro but if left to expiry I still must deal with assignment issues, when the intent is to simply let all contracts expire. So bear call vertical is the preferred choice for those reasons.
     
    #90     May 11, 2011