What's the monetarist criticism of the austrian theory of the business cycle?

Discussion in 'Economics' started by Daal, Nov 27, 2006.

  1. nevadan

    nevadan

    Or one whose only response to ideas that don't match his own is to smear the author
     
    #31     Dec 27, 2006
  2. Great Links Nevadan.
     
    #32     Dec 27, 2006
  3. Well how about the fact that he advised Pinochet on a free trade system. I dunno seems like a big big BIG black mark on his reputation.

    He had great theories but d*mn, that was a revelation that economists have problems applying hypothetical ideas to real life.
     
    #33     Dec 27, 2006
  4. Well, Pinochet did lay the foundation for Chile's economic growth...
     
    #34     Dec 27, 2006
  5. nevadan

    nevadan

    OK. I'll bite. What did he tell Pinochet and when did he tell him? I've been Googling and don't find much as a direct reference to Sennholz and Pinochet. Lots of CIA, Nixon, etc.
     
    #35     Dec 27, 2006
  6. LOL. Dunno about economic, but the dissapearing people growth, definitely. I hear that he definitely grew the torture tactics list as well.
    Note that after Pinochet, the economic policy had to be revised with socialist aspects.

    Search on Chicago Boys, search more on Pinochet, Miracle of Chile, etc.

    Here are some Wikipedia links:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_Pinochet#Economic_policy
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_Chile

    The immediate economic affects were pretty bad. The political, holy crap, when I first read about this stuff years ago, I think I had a nightmare.

    I don't dislike Milton Friedman, he had a lot of great ideas but he also had a lot of flaws in them. He did keep revising as time went on, but when applied to real life, he was just another economist. They work partially on small scale, special areas, like Hong Kong, Estonia & UAE, but not on a large real world scale.

    Laissez faire/free trade capitalism is not really what you think. The fiascos in Russia in the early to late 1990s is probably one of the best laissez faire examples to date. Can you really expect anything else when you have quotes such as "Greed is good" be the anthem of capitalism.
     
    #36     Dec 27, 2006
  7. There's no doubt that he did horrible things and violated human rights repeatedly. However, on the economic front he did implement [or rather allowed] open market reforms and privatizations that laid the ground for Chile to become the most developed country in latin america. Most of his economic reforms are still in place, and the reforms that had been done to his system where aimed at reinforcing social securities.

    the main difference between Chile and most SA countries is Chile's right wing inclination [as opposed to the leftist inclinations found almost everywhere else in S.A.] that started with Pinochet's regime.
     
    #37     Dec 27, 2006
  8. Talk about an understatement. Pinochet is at the top of the list of human rights violations, and that is not easily earned in this crazy world. Milton Friendman is even critisized for suggesting authotarian techniques in order to execute the policy, hence, a big black mark on his reputation. I personally think Milton is a bit guilty of the crimes that occured there, he had a duty to interfere, yet he abstained from the subject completely. He was a key influence on Pinochet's regime, later he tried to defend himself by stating he was misinterpreted. Coward's excuse in my opinion.

    I only partially agree. Note that without heavy SOCIALIST revisions, the original economic policy was a disaster.
    There was a heavy influx of foreign loans that stimulated the economy after the first initial recession. Once that charade was up, the 2nd recession ensued. In terms of wage growth, inflation, income distribution and unemployment, the economic policy was a disaster. Small businesses were destroyed, poverty was at record levels while oligarchs and global corporations profited.
    I also believe that the human rights violations by Pinochet and the junta were partially motivated by the economic problems on top of the political paranoia. There were a lot of people out on the streets, dead broke in poverty and that simply is not good for the nation's stability, military regime or not. I doubt this is the economic "success" that is desired by anyone except the top 1%.
    I partially agree because some policies enacted by Pinochet made sense and were the right thing. But the whole package was a nightmare, it turned out to be "hell on earth" for many. If anything, Chile's current economic situation shows that a combination of capitalist & socialist concepts seems to make the best recipe. Europe is full of nations with similiar structures.
     
    #38     Dec 27, 2006
  9. nevadan

    nevadan

    Thanks for the links Hydroblunt. Interesting reading, although very grim. From what I can see so far ideas that any Austro-libertarian economist might have presented to Pinochet were thoroughly ignored. The results of monetarist policy combined with Hayek's so-called benevolent dictator produced poor results indeed.

    I'm not sure I'd classify post-communist Russia as a fair experiment in free markets though.
     
    #39     Dec 27, 2006
  10. Damn monetarians.
     
    #40     Dec 27, 2006