I think it's cool how some of you guys know more than immunologists with decades of experience. Even the ones working for your Dear Leader. If only they could read your posts for guidance.
And your point being? That all those who are positive but not in hospital can be productive workers? Wtf, some people really have a fucked up relationship to money and wealth. I rather skip a few paychecks and have my entire family go to bed hungry than have my kids driven by a bus driver with the virus or hop on a plane with infected pilots or crew. Good luck with your imaginary world where infected people can just go about their jobs without limitations.
So nice for you to skip a few paychecks in sacrifice. Please tell me how your charity translates to the people who have lost their family business - the one they've had for decades? What about the family who's father just lost his job in the oil/gas industry who won't be getting another job for a long time, if ever because he's outside the hiring age of where firms tend to want to hire? An early retirement for him. Small companies, medium sized companies, destroyed by this. I have a friend who runs three martial arts dojos. She's done. Completely wiped from this and isn't going to get back on her feet. Her and her family operated in Tampa for 25 years. Skip a few paychecks. Hah. Please close the door on the Ivory Tower on your way out.
If you can accept that we don't know a lot of variables how can you know how to balance the economy vs exposure? How can you know opening the economy sooner than later is not a better option when you can't even define sooner or later in real life. If you don' know how many people are infected... you can't know that your ramp is doing anything other than delaying perhaps the inevitable. You don't know your ramp is even accomplishing saving infections vs herd immunity. Really with the data we have and no cure on the horizon we don't even know its saving lives or beds. So hence...unless you can answer those questions... We can't begin to enter the world of economic curves. I have no idea how much damage we have already done and how many jobs and small businesses are lost. I do know... once you get a few months worth of debt piling up... bankruptcy is going to explode. Bankruptcy means the loss of everything for many small business owners. People will be lucky to keep a 5 year old car. People who were once very productive and employed dozens of others. I am surrounded by friends who are spending their life savings paying employees. They will be tapped out in weeks. Then what. And you know what... I don't even know if we opened now... what will be saved. I just can't accept anyone acting like they know what's best. Best for who. Best for what outcome Best because who says so. There is no moral high ground here. its all choices and guesses. and its best we go over it now.. because there will be assholes splitting up the country like carpet baggers after this.. It needs to be clear... in the middle of this... there were know known clear choices.
...... Okay, you're extrapolating based on % assumptions of hospitalizations using current *reported* numbers... total hospitalizations / total positive cases = % hospitalizations. What I'm saying is that total positive cases is way the fck higher then currently reported (due to lack of testing). Numerator stays the same. Therefore, % hospitalizations is way lower then currently assumed. Therefore, extrapolating to the general population using inaccurate and inflated hospitalization percentages, leads one to conclude HC capacity will be exhausted much earlier then it actually will. IOW, the situation is not as dire as they say. The hospitalization % is much lower then actually reported, and we have to use that much lower number to extrapolate against the general population to figure out what kind of response is needed and what kind of panic is justified.
Charity? Did those businesses not have a choice to build rainy weather provisions? Airlines made hundreds of millions. All wasted on dividends and share buybacks. Not a single safety provision. It's not those who did not care that I worry about. Those who live from one debt and car loan and mortgage and home equity loan and credit card loan to the next and never cared to save deserve what is coming to them. No mercy. I care about those who lived a responsible life style but just never got the proper chance to earn a living wage and enough to save for bad days even if they wanted. Those are the ones we should support. Not some fucking airlines or businesses, large and small who over leveraged, never thought bad days might be around the corner. Those are businesses run by poor decision markers. But we keep on bailing them out and nothing changes. If an oil and gas worker was employed till now and in demand then he will be equally in demand in a year. Again if someone lived a responsible life and worked hard and did not just consume every penny, earned, then such person will have provisions to feed a family for many month. Those who struggled before to make a living wage are the ones we should worry and care about. Your friend did not have certain insurance against disasters like this? No savings provisions to survive 6-8 months without customers? What car is he or she driving if i may ask?
How I know? Simple. I don't. But do I rather listen to medical professionals and experts in this field or do I check out what David Geffen, Elon Musk, or The Donald has to say on this? No-brainer if you ask me
you know nothing about the oil and gas industry to be making that claim. Saudi Arabia can produce oil far cheaper than many others. I know the last time around... once they shut down some of the sands projects... guys I use to know... moved away and left the industry. So once a well or sands project gets shutdown it may not get opened until for years. Now due to technology are costs have come down... but once shut... it could be shut down for years.
So you choose to walk boldly in a state of danger and uncertainty? Here, try this: Have someone blindfold you and then have them rearrange the furniture in your living room. Take off your shoes, and then run blindly and boldly in the room while kicking with your bare feet in front of you. See how cool it is being aggressive in a state of uncertainty. Maybe even have your friend sprinkle some broken glass on the floor, just for shits and giggles.
This is a CV thread. How about you start a new thread on the oil price war if you like? What you are speaking of is not the result of the CV situation hence not under debate here.