What's Easier - Swing Trading or Day Trading?

Discussion in 'Technical Analysis' started by easymon1, Jul 2, 2021.

  1. maxinger

    maxinger

    [​IMG]

    those who don't know how to day trade tend to blame it on day trading and not self.
    those who don't know how to swing trade tend to blame it on swing trading and not self.
    etc
     
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2021
    #41     Jul 5, 2021
  2. Relentless

    Relentless

    Charts and patterns do work. Most won't put in the time / effort required.

    There's more than one way to skin a cat.
     
    #42     Jul 5, 2021
  3. Disagree.. the time and effort is to actually analyze the company not it’s time series data lol. That’s the easy part.
     
    #43     Jul 5, 2021
    murray t turtle likes this.
  4. Relentless

    Relentless

    Not sure what to tell you. Proof of concept says you are flat out wrong.

    But I don't disagree that the approach of analyzing a company is good as well - but i do that as more of a longer term approach.
     
    #44     Jul 5, 2021
  5. Let’s put it this way. There are some strategies that can harvest the returns derived from illiquidity, liquidity provisioning, and variants of the momentum factor intraday. Those strategies require expert knowledge of market structure, liquidity, and flow to be successful. No one running those strategies uses a chart and patterns.

    If you did a study on price returns you would find that the majority of +1std moves in daily prices are due to catalysts — either once information is revealed or positioning prior to that. So in order to trade those successfully the hard work is in analyzing the catalyst and what you expect the impact to be on price. (View -> expressed financially in terms of rev/costs/or fcf -> estimated impact to price -> compare to price reaction and volume = trading signal).

    Daily fluctuations within 1std are really just noise as the price is driven by the limit order book and at the market volumes. Unless you have an edge on measuring flow and the limit order book (which is not data represented in charts and patterns) you won’t be able to successfully position. If you’re just a hobbyist then obviously do what you want to do, but if you’re trying to generate alpha and compete, then I’d suggest reconsidering your approach.

    FYI- I have a professional background (multiple licenses, worked at I-banks and hedge funds).
     
    #45     Jul 5, 2021
    murray t turtle likes this.
  6. KCalhoun

    KCalhoun

    Brilliant observations. Completely agree re +1std insights. Much of how I trade uses that type of thinking.

    I look for range-related moves, outliers etc
     
    #46     Jul 5, 2021
    murray t turtle and vanzandt like this.
  7. Everything lies in interests. If you are interested in day trading, you’ll find it easier. Day trading is when you open and close a trade in one day and swing trading is for a little long term.
     
    #47     Jul 6, 2021
  8. d08

    d08

    I think there's another factor in these studies. The gambler types are attracted to shorter time-frames because it gives a dopamine rush. Holding a position for weeks without watching it daily does not. So the losing gambler types skew the data.
     
    #48     Jul 6, 2021
    comagnum and qlai like this.
  9. d08

    d08

    I think you're only here for entertainment and you don't trade but in any case...

    60 seconds can be too short because you're paying the spread/slippage/commission, so the instrument has to be very volatile but also with relatively tight spreads.

    Most successful investors in the world buy and hold, traders don't do that.
     
    #49     Jul 6, 2021
  10. %%
    SAME here;
    except markets are much more complex than skinning any cat/LOL. But to be flat out blunt\ i study+ trade trends /invest trends> more than ranges............................................
     
    #50     Jul 8, 2021
    KCalhoun likes this.