What's a worthwhile daily take on the e-mini S&P 500?

Discussion in 'Index Futures' started by Laissez Faire, Jun 4, 2020.

  1. Yeah, luckily he only spent a few months there. Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Deutsche Bank, etc. are all crooks with massive staffs of quants and programmers. Still, Navinder was smarter than all of them as he found a glitch in the CME order book that he exploited.
    All of these firms are in the pocket of the CME Group....spending millions each month on co-located servers and exchange fees.
    Every day, I feel like I am trading on a mafia-controlled exchange.....LOL...and paying these exorbitant exchange fees. It's just digital version of the 1930's and 40's when the mafia controlled businesses and collected their "due fee" each week.
     
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    #51     Jun 20, 2020
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  2. Bone, you are absolutely right.... and there are signs that he had multiple disorders including autism, aspergers syndrome and bi-polar disease.
    He kept secret the $70 million from his parents where he was living ? He didn't spend any money ? He actually bought a cheap VW and then stopped using it....and used his bicycle. I mean he could have afforded a lambo...LOL ! Something was seriously wrong with his mind.
    All he could focus on was beating the algos and giving the finger to the CME and CFTC. Unbelievable ! I just wonder if they'll make a movie of this some day.
     
    #52     Jun 20, 2020
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  3. tiddlywinks

    tiddlywinks


    FORMS of the current price bar in relation to the previous bar... I put this in your terms.

    1) HHLL
    2) HHHL
    3) HH=L
    4) =HHL
    5) =HLL
    6) =H=L
    7) LHLL
    8) LHHL
    9) LH=L
    10) 3 consecutive price bars... bars 2 AND 3 do not exceed H/L boundaries of bar 1.
    The bar 1 H/L boundaries can remain in effect indefinitely.

    HTH (happy to help).
     
    #53     Jun 20, 2020
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  4. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

     
    #54     Jun 20, 2020
  5. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

    Give us the weighted probability distribution,
    Please :p
     
    #55     Jun 20, 2020
  6. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

    He made his first million thanks to Kerviel.
    Funny how little is the world.

    How bedroom trader Navinder Sarao made his first millions

    Here are the rules to play by :
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    #56     Jun 20, 2020
  7. bone

    bone

    They will bag you with the big bad overarching hunting license and not necessarily specific rules. Which is why Sarao really Effed up when he was first warned by CME and chose to ignore them.

    The CFTC orders that trading exchanges regulated in the US or that operate in the US based upon a CFTC “no action” letter maintain an orderly market.

    CFTC Rules that Sarao agreed to when he opened his futures account and started trading on the CME:

    “C) If the Person does not have its principal place of business in Chicago, Illinois, consent to the jurisdiction of the federal and state courts in Chicago, Illinois, in any action or proceeding brought by the Exchange;
    (ii) If the Person is admitted as a non-U.S. Member, enter into a written agency agreement appointing a third party as its U.S. agent“

    308. Prohibited Conduct.

    o) Enter into a transaction on the Trading System which is not competitively executed on the Trading System except in compliance with the conditions and procedures under which such transactions may be permitted under the Rules; or
    (p) Engage in conduct or practices inconsistent with just and equitable principles of trade or conduct or practices detrimental to the best interests of the Exchange.

    615. Member Responsibility Actions.
    (a) The Exchange may summarily suspend any Member or take other summary action against a Member if the Exchange reasonably believes that such immediate action is necessary to protect the best interests of the marketplace.



     
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    #57     Jun 20, 2020
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  8. Yeah, but the rules are mute when no one else is in compliance.
    The huge question remaining (and this should be for the movies).....
    would Nav have stopped the spoofing and shut-down his algo if the other big players were forced to stop spoofing by the CME and CFTC ?
    WOW, THAT IS A HUGE ONE !! Only Nav knows.
    Trip to England, anyone ?
     
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    #58     Jun 20, 2020
  9. bone

    bone

    Really? That’s not a very effective defense in US Courts. Doesn’t work for insider trading and doesn’t work for speeding tickets.

    In 2019 the SEC brought 526 stand alone insider trading cases. I’m sure that there are thousands of people engaging in insider trading every year but it won’t help these 526 plaintiffs in Federal Court.
     
    #59     Jun 20, 2020
  10. Yeah Bone, but this so much highlights how much the HFT firms, Goldman, JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley, etc. were in bed with Terry Duffy and the CME. They were "untouchable".
    What great justice in the financial markets we have....LOL !
    This just highlights how much we retailers and Nav were "nothing" to the CME.
     
    #60     Jun 20, 2020