Whatever happened to Lot's descendants?

RainMaker3000 · Dec 3, 2020

murray t turtle said:
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OK;
but have to consider the short term + medium term+ eternity/also...............................................................................................Back to my medium-term charts
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short and medium-term matter less when time does not exist, Most people are so focused on the short and medium-term, they forget that life on earth as an animal is similar to being a well-fed monkey in a zoo...

maxinger said:
And what happened to Joseph and Mary's descendents?
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They're somewhere in the highlands of Ethiopia

TrailerParkTed · Dec 3, 2020

Here4money said:
Lot's descendants were not at Sodom and Gomorrah for starters.
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Trick question like “How many animals were on Moses Ark”? Ammon and Moab were not born yet.

maxinger · Dec 3, 2020

RainMaker3000 said:
short and medium-term matter less when time does not exist, Most people are so focused on the short and medium-term, they forget that life on earth as an animal is similar to being a well-fed monkey in a zoo...

They're somewhere in the highlands of Ethiopia
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it sounds odd.

there were lots of information about what happened hundreds of thousands years ago.
But not much information about what happened a few hundred years ago.

RainMaker3000 · Oct 10, 2021

I was doing a bit of reading over this long weekend and came across a few tidbits of facts relevant to this discussion. (with a few questions)
*** Why do women of Eurasian descent like being sodomized? (I would like an honest answer)
*** Human homosexuality originates from an infant's subconscious disposition that the mother figure looks similar to the male pre-pubescent which makes the adult male subconsciously compelled .. (reason based on science).
*** Asians are distant cousins of a lot given the migration patterns of Caucasians...
*** Morbid sexuality in the Homosapien subspecies of primates originates in the unnatural cohabitation of male and female of the species... every species seems to have mating patterns that are in tune with nature
*** Skin without color(white skin) is a genetic mutation closely linked to albinism.
*** While primitive, humans base their reality on limited observation of recorded history.
*** I noticed the female of their species spends vast amounts of time sending mating calls without producing and offspring...(Eurasians)

I know some of you fools will get slightly emotional...relax, drink a glass of water, but think clearly, and have an honest reflection on some of the points I'm making cause these people enjoy being analyzed and examined...

RainMaker3000 · Oct 12, 2021

The parasite likes the swine's blood, the swine and the parasite have a love affair cause they are lost in the annals of history, this is stranger than fiction, cause their ending is my beginning, gemera,... these lepers of Caucasia and the Roman with the mark of Cain will reap what they have sown...that you can count on more than the silver you hold in your pocket... I can only die once but live forever...

RainMaker3000 · Oct 14, 2021

ph1l · Oct 14, 2021

RainMaker3000 said:
The remnants of Sodom and Gomorrah?
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They could be here.
https://scitechdaily.com/fire-and-b...cient-middle-eastern-city-and-everyone-in-it/

Fire and Brimstone: A Giant Space Rock Demolished an Ancient Middle Eastern City and Everyone in It
TOPICS:Archaeology History Meteors The Conversation University Of South Carolina

By CHRISTOPHER R. MOORE, UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH CAROLINA SEPTEMBER 27, 2021

Artist’s evidence-based depiction of the blast, which had the power of 1,000 Hiroshimas. Credit: Allen West and Jennifer Rice

A giant space rock demolished an ancient Middle Eastern city and everyone in it – possibly inspiring the Biblical story of Sodom.

As the inhabitants of an ancient Middle Eastern city now called Tall el-Hammam went about their daily business one day about 3,600 years ago, they had no idea an unseen icy space rock was speeding toward them at about 38,000 mph (61,000 kph).

Flashing through the atmosphere, the rock exploded in a massive fireball about 2.5 miles (4 kilometers) above the ground. The blast was around 1,000 times more powerful than the Hiroshima atomic bomb. The shocked city dwellers who stared at it were blinded instantly. Air temperatures rapidly rose above 3,600 degrees Fahrenheit
The Fahrenheit scale is a temperature scale, named after the German physicist Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit and based on one he proposed in 1724. In the Fahrenheit temperature scale, the freezing point of water freezes is 32 °F and water boils at 212 °F, a 180 °F separation, as defined at sea level and standard atmospheric pressure. 
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The Celsius scale, also known as the centigrade scale, is a temperature scale named after the Swedish astronomer Anders Celsius. In the Celsius scale, 0 °C is the freezing point of water and 100 °C is the boiling point of water at 1 atm pressure.
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Some seconds later, a massive shockwave smashed into the city. Moving at about 740 mph (1,200 kph), it was more powerful than the worst tornado ever recorded. The deadly winds ripped through the city, demolishing every building. They sheared off the top 40 feet (12 m) of the 4-story palace and blew the jumbled debris into the next valley. None of the 8,000 people or any animals within the city survived – their bodies were torn apart and their bones blasted into small fragments.

About a minute later, 14 miles (22 km) to the west of Tall el-Hammam, winds from the blast hit the biblical city of Jericho. Jericho’s walls came tumbling down and the city burned to the ground.

It all sounds like the climax of an edge-of-your-seat Hollywood disaster movie. How do we know that all of this actually happened near the Dead Sea in Jordan millennia ago?

Now called Tall el-Hammam, the city is located about 7 miles northeast of the Dead Sea in what is now Jordan. Credit: NASA

Getting answers required nearly 15 years of painstaking excavations by hundreds of people. It also involved detailed analyses of excavated material by more than two dozen scientists in 10 states in the U.S., as well as Canada and the Czech Republic. When our group finally published the evidence recently in the journal Scientific Reports, the 21 co-authors included archaeologists, geologists, geochemists, geomorphologists, mineralogists, paleobotanists, sedimentologists, cosmic-impact experts and medical doctors.

Here’s how we built up this picture of devastation in the past.

Firestorm throughout the city
Years ago, when archaeologists looked out over excavations of the ruined city, they could see a dark, roughly 5-foot-thick (1.5 m) jumbled layer of charcoal, ash, melted mudbricks and melted pottery. It was obvious that an intense firestorm had destroyed this city long ago. This dark band came to be called the destruction layer.

Researchers stand near the ruins of ancient walls, with the destruction layer about midway down each exposed wall. Credit: Phil Silvia

No one was exactly sure what had happened, but that layer wasn’t caused by a volcano, earthquake or warfare. None of them are capable of melting metal, mudbricks and pottery.

To figure out what could, our group used the Online Impact Calculator to model scenarios that fit the evidence. Built by impact experts, this calculator allows researchers to estimate the many details of a cosmic impact event, based on known impact events and nuclear detonations.

It appears that the culprit at Tall el-Hammam was a small asteroid similar to the one that knocked down 80 million trees in Tunguska, Russia in 1908. It would have been a much smaller version of the giant miles-wide rock that pushed the dinosaurs into extinction 65 million ago.

We had a likely culprit. Now we needed proof of what happened that day at Tall el-Hammam.

Finding ‘diamonds’ in the dirt
Our research revealed a remarkably broad array of evidence.

Electron microscope images of numerous small cracks in shocked quartz grains. Credit: Allen West

At the site, there are finely fractured sand grains called shocked quartz that only form at 725,000 pounds per square inch of pressure (5 gigapascals) – imagine six 68-ton Abrams military tanks stacked on your thumb.

The destruction layer also contains tiny diamonoids that, as the name indicates, are as hard as diamonds. Each one is smaller than a flu virus. It appears that wood and plants in the area were instantly turned into this diamond-like material by the fireball’s high pressures and temperatures.

Diamonoids (center) inside a crater were formed by the fireball’s high temperatures and pressures on wood and plants. Credit: Malcolm LeCompte

Experiments with laboratory furnaces showed that the bubbled pottery and mudbricks at Tall el-Hammam liquefied at temperatures above 2,700 F (1,500 C). That’s hot enough to melt an automobile within minutes.

The destruction layer also contains tiny balls of melted material smaller than airborne dust particles. Called spherules, they are made of vaporized iron and sand that melted at about 2,900 F (1,590 C).

In addition, the surfaces of the pottery and meltglass are speckled with tiny melted metallic grains, including iridium with a melting point of 4,435 F (2,466 C), platinum that melts at 3,215 F (1,768 C) and zirconium silicate at 2,800 F (1,540 C).

Spherules made of melted sand (upper left), palace plaster (upper right) and melted metal (bottom two). Credit: Malcolm LeCompte

Together, all this evidence shows that temperatures in the city rose higher than those of volcanoes, warfare and normal city fires. The only natural process left is a cosmic impact.

The same evidence is found at known impact sites, such as Tunguska and the Chicxulub crater, created by the asteroid that triggered the dinosaur extinction.

One remaining puzzle is why the city and over 100 other area settlements were abandoned for several centuries after this devastation. It may be that high levels of salt deposited during the impact event made it impossible to grow crops. We’re not certain yet, but we think the explosion may have vaporized or splashed toxic levels of Dead Sea salt water across the valley. Without crops, no one could live in the valley for up to 600 years, until the minimal rainfall in this desert-like climate washed the salt out of the fields.

Was there a surviving eyewitness to the blast?
It’s possible that an oral description of the city’s destruction may have been handed down for generations until it was recorded as the story of Biblical Sodom. The Bible describes the devastation of an urban center near the Dead Sea – stones and fire fell from the sky, more than one city was destroyed, thick smoke rose from the fires and city inhabitants were killed.

Could this be an ancient eyewitness account? If so, the destruction of Tall el-Hammam may be the second-oldest destruction of a human settlement by a cosmic impact event, after the village of Abu Hureyra in Syria about 12,800 years ago. Importantly, it may the first written record of such a catastrophic event.

The scary thing is, it almost certainly won’t be the last time a human city meets this fate.

Animation depicting the positions of known near-Earth objects at points in time for the 20 years ending in January 2018. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech

Tunguska-sized airbursts, such as the one that occurred at Tall el-Hammam, can devastate entire cities and regions, and they pose a severe modern-day hazard. As of September 2021, there are more than 26,000 known near-Earth asteroids and a hundred short-period near-Earth comets. One will inevitably crash into the Earth. Millions more remain undetected, and some may be headed toward the Earth now.

Unless orbiting or ground-based telescopes detect these rogue objects, the world may have no warning, just like the people of Tall el-Hammam.

Written by Christopher R. Moore, Archaeologist and Special Projects Director at the Savannah River Archaeological Research Program and South Carolina Institute for Archaeology and Anthropology, University of South Carolina.

This article was co-authored by research collaborators archaeologist Phil Silvia, geophysicist Allen West, geologist Ted Bunch and space physicist Malcolm LeCompte.
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RainMaker3000 · Oct 17, 2021

ph1l said:
They could be here.
https://scitechdaily.com/fire-and-b...cient-middle-eastern-city-and-everyone-in-it/
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There is the sex party then the after-party...