What would you do?

Discussion in 'Options' started by union1411, Aug 11, 2005.

  1. IV change will have very little effect being so close to expiry.

    Union - what's your view on the stock ?
     
    #11     Aug 11, 2005
  2. yea IV is a non-issue since expiration is in a week.

    My view on the stock? 270ish.

    But I was wondering if any you with more experience know whether or not marketmakers start doing funny things as expiration nears?
     
    #12     Aug 11, 2005
  3. Pabst

    Pabst

    GOOG options are so liquid, you're not at the mercy of MM's. Plenty of retail flow. Secondly, expiration week is pure gamma. You're only held at bay by the underlying.
     
    #13     Aug 11, 2005
  4. I agree.... there will be plenty of competition for your business in such a big stock. Don't worry too much about potential MM shenanigans.
     
    #14     Aug 11, 2005
  5. ktm

    ktm

    I would consider selling near the money puts to make a spread.
     
    #15     Aug 11, 2005
  6. BELOW ARE MY POSTS FROM THE FOLLOEING ELITE TRADER thread ------------>GOOG Ready to Retrace ? tradertony76

    IF IT WERE ME I'D TAKE PROFIT IN AT LEAST 1/2 OF THE POSITION
    REMEMBER THAT SINCE YOU ONLY HAVE 1 WEEK LEFT YOU SHOULD RAPIDLY LOSE TIME VALUE.
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    cowpok1027


    Registered: Nov 2004
    Posts: 29


    08-09-05 03:22 PM

    I agree GOOG is bearish right now (@ 290.40 3:20pm------> I went short the stock on 7/22 @ 305 near the close as bearish reversal on above avg vol took place (NOTE I play options a lot but GOOG's are very expensive).

    Just put in new stop alert (my computer rings a bell) if GOOG pierces 292.95 (I'll put up my Level II & check trading to get best price to cover but not to exceed 293.75)

    NOTES:
    A) GOOG opened strong today but on low volume relative to normal 1st 15 minutes with high of 292.68
    B) GOOG's 50dsma = 292.57
    C) 293.75 is approx interim day peak from where GOOG fell yesterday

    MY TARGETS:
    #1 = MINIMUM TRADE TARGET WAS 289 -289.50 (Broke this today but rallied strongly off 288.50 (I'll be watching the last 15 minutes of trading & probably take 1/2 position off the table if > 291

    #2 = My expectation is for drop near term to 277 with excellent chance to make it to 261.50 & good chance of going to 251.
    cowpok1027


    Registered: Nov 2004
    Posts: 29


    08-09-05 04:37 PM

    SEE MY PREVIOUS POST TODAY --> KEEPING MY STOP AS NOTED

    Well, I did't pull the trigger on GOOG cover of my short near the close because the institutions were selling into the last 1/2 hr rally.


    I'll be looking for GOOG to pierce 288.50 tommorrow but if it finds good support there again I'll cover the 1/2 position.

    For you put option guys --> A ?

    How are you calculating your risk/reward on this or you just throwing in a "HOME RUN" speculation?

    I generally like to take small risks with high probability of profit.
    I use options generally to hedge ; e.g. diagonal spread.
    cowpok1027


    Registered: Nov 2004
    Posts: 29


    08-09-05 05:09 PM

    I've traded GOOG on the upside 3x via stock & option purchase as follows
    1st - 4/20 @ 198 & hedged with OTM call with the stock @ 230 on 5/11 (lost some of possible profit but it was my first GOOG trade & I needed to protect a nice profit)

    2nd - on 5/18 bought in the hedge with the stock @ 234 & went long 20 June 220c

    3rd - put on a bull straddle (already long 20 June 220's) shorted 20 June 290c

    Exited all above 7/22 & went short.

    I'm very nervous trading the short side for the first time which keeps me @ my computer 7 hours a day. If BIDU can run to 150 in 1 1/2 days what could GOOG run to?
    cowpok1027


    Registered: Nov 2004
    Posts: 29


    08-11-05 07:52 PM

    To Mr z & all you GOOG traders out there -

    Basically GOOG's been down 5 days in a row (ok it was up 30 cents on 1 day in which its range was lower).

    So why should I be nervous over my short ?

    #1 - I love to take profits & hate letting winners turn into losses.

    #2 - Institutions were nibbling more yesterday altho volume was subpar overall.

    #3 - A counter move (at least temporary) is likely & the pm bounce back from 280 showed GOOG isn't dead yet.

    I'm gonna trade it (buy-in 1/2 of my short position) as follows:
    ASSUMING NEUTRAL MARKET (typical summer Friday volume & range)

    IF GOOG trades down in the AM but fails to break 280-280 1/2,
    then starts trending up I'll load the BUY gun & fire if it breaks the top of the 1st 1/2 hour range ----> in which case I'll be looking for GOOG to break thru 286 1/2-287 & run to 292-294 ( not necessarily on Friday but within 3-5 days).

    If GOOG trends down or flat i'll leave it alone.
     
    #16     Aug 11, 2005
  7. srolle

    srolle

    so you're going to sell your options, because the theta is going up as expiration approaches? truly genius. im sure the MM's havent thought of the theta curve. they are obviously way overpriced by the marketplace.
     
    #17     Aug 11, 2005
  8. ?

    Explain.
     
    #18     Aug 11, 2005
  9. srolle

    srolle

    with brevity, good trades involve edge. you are making a trade based on what one can read in Natenburg. is that really edge?
     
    #19     Aug 12, 2005
  10. srolle

    srolle

    P.S.

    profit is an idiot. its much cheaper to hedge your deltas in the stock market. gettng long stock can get you out of directional risk, while giving less edge to the specialists. duh.
     
    #20     Aug 12, 2005