What will break this uptrend?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by daveyc, Feb 17, 2011.

  1. Locutus

    Locutus

    Sigh. Ok let me explain to you what will put in an intermediate-term top (possibly long term but there's no way of knowing until you get to see what kind of support there is to be found down below)

    Sorted from most likely to least likely, each of these individually should see at least a 10%-20% decline:

    -Eurozone debt crisis. Do I even need to explain this? Portugal is at +7,5% which puts it in crisis territory. In fact if you base a prediction on precedent then you will find there is a 100% chance that Portugal will end up in trouble. Furthermore Spain, France and the UK have systemic risks also and the German consumer is getting fed up ith being stuck the bill. If the German consumer starts protesting against current regulations you can expect some volatility.

    -PBoC loses control over the real estate market; as they are currently still in control there isn't all that much to worry about yet. However I Think the problem is widely understated. Like in Ireland (which doesn't matter), a very large percentage of homes is unoccupied and there is no intention to ever occupy them yet more is being built. Bubbles are basically when manias either overstate demand or supply. In this case supply is unrealistic. Whether China will be able to slow its growth down without severe penalties remains to be seen.

    -Severely escalating ME conflict involving Israel or severe supply issues with oil. Watch prices, if CL starts to surge dramatically and stocks don't follow immediately you have yourself a risk-free short opportunity.

    -US debt crisis; either massive defaults in muni-land, state-land or a congress that will start to bitch and moan over the debt ceiling or some other problem that I forgot.

    All of these events are sort of in the "tail risk" category still, although I can't really imagine that Germany will continue to support the EU if stupid bitches like the Portuguese, Irish and Greece governments won't accept fiscal rules to prevent them from being retards in the future again, so this one may be bumped up a bit from tail risk to reasonably likely. Also I find it very likely that one of these will occur next to the possibility of a black swan event.

    Then we also have some other problems concerning the inverse correlation between high optimism and high returns (not counting the AAII here, although you could, looking at other things). By now BTFD is a fucking meme. You're going to buy a market when to do so would be to follow an internet meme?

    Still bearish, will continue to be so until I see some societal progress (note: don't care as much about unemployment and macro stats as I care about incentives which are still skewed towards taking stupid risks (TBTF) and thus the outcome should be the same as the last time these incentives were in place).
     
    #11     Feb 17, 2011
  2. Locutus

    Locutus

    The FED isn't backstopping the markets. It's the collective belief (mania) that they are which is leading to a risk-on attitude which is not going to end well.

    It wasn't even the FED's original intention to boost stock prices to this level and increase the premium paid to own equities by this much, it was to have modest inflation and low interest rates (leading ultimately to improving job market) both of which they have failed at (inflation is sub-target and interest rates have basically surged since QE2).
     
    #12     Feb 17, 2011
  3. lassic

    lassic

    ... a downtrend
     
    #13     Feb 17, 2011
  4. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    so where is the pomo cash going that the banks are getting?
     
    #14     Feb 17, 2011
  5. hopeful

    hopeful

    Planetary cycles will stop this this market dead in it's tracks. About 1 or 2 weeks left to run, this is a blowoff top in progress.
     
    #15     Feb 17, 2011
  6. hopeful

    hopeful

    Don't the banks buy treasuries with POMO money? If so then the pomo $ goes to the treasury. After they take a nice cut.
     
    #16     Feb 17, 2011
  7. Locutus

    Locutus

    Lots of places. I bet some went to EM's, commidities, private equity investments, small caps, medium caps, derivative bets, real estate (which is where they really hoped a lot of it would go but didn't obviously) and a bunch of other shit I can't remember.

    The FED's QE is also what I've read others call "moderately conservative", which I agree with. The amount of money being printed is not exorbitant, not enough to create anything near hyperinflation and certainly not enough to boost the S&P500 by as much nor to almost triple some commodities.

    The whole FED -> BTFD thing is totally a mania. The fun thing about every mania thus far in the history about manias is that in every single one people though that "this time it's different" because "this time the facts are on our side". Of course being on the other side of the mania is also very difficult to make work because timing is almost impossible.

    In case you think I'm pessimistic, I'm bullish on treasuries, assuming the US will not default which I also consider a risk. Hyperbullish on corporate credit though (nice returns + much smaller risk of default if you pick some sound companies).
     
    #17     Feb 17, 2011
  8. Locutus

    Locutus

    Fucking A, don't ruin my case will you please? People are going to find the bearish stance dumb in the same way the GOP is retarded because they have Ann Coulter supporting them (no offense to retards intended).

    The FED buys treasuries and market participants sell them to the FED, taking FED-minted cash in return for their treasury holdings.
     
    #18     Feb 17, 2011
  9. ammo

    ammo

    full moon about 2am in ny on friday
     
    #19     Feb 17, 2011
  10. olias

    olias

    I agree, it's not working out too well. Do you suppose that is because the whole method is ineffective, or because they didn't use enough money?
     
    #20     Feb 17, 2011