This topic deserves serious discussion so I'm finding all the useful facts I can. An exerpt follows: As a side note to this Vice President Dick Cheney also showed up at the Roswell base to make a speech in 1992. Cheney has long been rumored to be an inside player on the critical information such as crashed saucers, so I have put him in my "UFO Most Wanted" deck as the King of Clubs. The White House Role in Crashed UFO Retrieval. My final story is a key story dealing with the role in the inside workings of the UFO story as it applies to Vice President Dick Cheney. Cheney has held many key government positions, has been tied into the military industrial complex for years, and has been the focal point of many stories dealing with Area 51 and crashed saucers. In April 2001, just after entering the White House I had a chance to question Cheney on UFOs. He was on the Diane Rehm talk show announcing that the U.S. had just recovered a plane from China that the Chinese had shot down claiming to be a spy plane. Cheney was in a victorious mood, until the questions started. I was first up with the UFO question and all the rest of the questions were on Halliburton. I donât think he has appeared on an open-line talk show since. The question I asked him was the key question of briefings. Because of his background I wanted to know if he had been involved in anything official dealing with the UFO subject, defined by the question of whether anyone had every walked in his office and given him a briefing. The Q&A went as follows, Question: Good morning. Mr. Cheney, I have a question. Since a statement made by George Bush last July there has been a vicious rumor in the UFO community that you have been "read-in" to the UFO program. My question to you is, in any of your government jobs have you ever been briefed on the subject of UFOs, and if you have when was it and what were you told? Cheney: Well, if I had been briefed on that, I am sure it would have been classified, and I couldnât talk about it. Host question: Is there an investigation going on within this administration Mr. Vice President with regards to UFOs? Cheney: Umâ¦I have not come across the subject since Iâve been back â I guess itâs January 20th. Iâve been in a lot of meetings but I donât recall one on UFOs. Cheney has always been considered to be a smart man, but he slipped up on this answer. This is probably because he was not expecting the question. The government has always stated that all UFO material has been released, and there is no cover-up. Cheney however clearly stated that the subject was "probably classified.â If it is classified, there are documents. If there are documents the government has not released them, and we have been lied to. There is a cover-up.
"False Flag" ops have been going on throughout history.....#1 and #2 are not the only choices............ http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4757274759497686216&q=terror+storm
Alex Jones just BEFORE 9/11...... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8184253307321536024&q=terror+storm Alex Jones at his best!!! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3174262215701059046&q=terror+storm
good post. yet, i ask another question and maybe therefore get a different answer. the question is, if something looks very much similar to a controlled demolition, why not discuss openly with those who think it was one? or more precise: if something looks like something, why not first of all assume it is that something? for occam: well, if you blow up all the assumptions you need for one alternative and reduce the number of assumptions for the other, old william will see that as a distortion of his initial idea. so in your post it is 5:9 in favour of arabian terrorists. but no real offense intended. the law was not designed for issues of this kind. what really puzzles me, is that both sides have serious intelligent people on their side (i do not mean charlie sheen in particular), yet they are heavily bashing the other side. really amazing to see this phenomena. my explanation is that our consciousness works in a way that blocks out information, that does not fit with the overall belief, from being processed at all. really strange. and alex jones is very strange to me either. i mean he is obviously intelligent, engages heavily on a very personal level, and he sees enemies literally everywhere. an aunt of mine (a true nazi btw) is like that as well. from auschwitz lie to moon hoax to 911 inside job, she buys it all at face value. really strange. an' me, the indecisive? i am still looking for that real big conspiracy that i truly believe. BTW i heard of a french paper on UFOs out of recent years with claims by high class professionals for further investigation ...
Good to see that you discount Charlie Sheen And your views on how we can block out information that doesn't fit our beliefs is right on the money. Probably why this issue is so contentious, given the emotions behind it.... As for myself, I'd never even HEARD of a CT angle before about 6 months ago. And at first, it sounded like it would have some validity to it, even though some of the science they were using didn't seem correct to me. But then somebody here posted those links I gave you and after reviewing them, I could see how wrong a lot of their points were, and how they were full of misqoutes and omissions,etc. Don't know about you, but I'm always suspicious of the validity of someones' claims (beliefs?) when they use that kind of tactics........ I don't think that there's ever been a face to face meeting per se : besides, could you imagine what kind of melee would result, especially if you judge it by what happens here on these boards and by demonstrations at Ground Zero??? Nothing would be discussed, just a bunch of shouting.... Anyways, gov't investigators have looked for traces of explosives, and they haven't found any. They've found traces of sulfur, which is in explosives I believe, and the CTers will use this as evidence..... but sulfur (CaSO4) is also present in the dry wall used - a point that they refuse to acknowledge . And that's by far the problem I have with theCTers - They HAVE to be aware that sulfur is present in drywall, and yet they refuse to acknowledge that and other facts when they write their theories. And as you've noticed, some (none here though) of the CTers ARE highly intelligent people, so what is the explanation for this kind of omission? Of the several I can think of, they all influence me to believe that they're in it for personal gain on some level, be it power or wealth. And good God, don't bring up French UFO's here, it'll just set some of these guys off to start a new thread about THAT !!
Haroki i see your points. but i doubt that a serious deabte in form of a grand jury (don't know if that would be a proper forum in legal terms) could not at all bring up a serious discussion. i mean there have been discussion on wide ranges of controversial issues, so there are ways to handle it. essentially each trial is such a "discussion" and usually they work out without to extensive shouting. one of the two links (not the "...debunked..." i think) had some flaws to me. one of them the attempt to prove that it would have taken too much explosives to bring them down. i mean that is a weak position when you simultaneously claim that they were not brought down by explosives at all. plus i would think that demolition experts should be able to bring down the buildings. but i write these things now from top of my head - unable to start a serious debate. and for myself i have already decided that i'd better shut up with all this thermite bakc and forth since i have really no clue about these things and need to rely on other people's opinion. i said earlier that i love conspiracies, just have not yet found one i believe in. all weak positions. as the captain's questions to cheney. well yeah, could be that he responded this way because he hides something, could as well be that you just was not prepared and uttered some sentences that leave room for interpretation. no offense here, captain, just for an outsider the dialogue as it turned out can truly have different reasons. and only one of them is that he actively hides something. don't get me wrong: it sounds strange that he does not remember such an event, which should draw attention, even his, even among many other appointments. nevertheless, nothing but smoke ... i find this french thing more interesting. saw some docu on crop circles. seems to be some serious people looking at these. yet the problem with all of this is, that if the reps can influence public opinion via a media "bill o reilly", well then every cover up is possible ...
there is a guy leaving highly classified material on the table and another guy picks it up and starts to study it? aha. then there is a lieutanent giving out information on the most classified material possible, yet nobody knows who he is? and all this comes up after full five years have passed by? and none of the other guys who heard that went public? and why? because it was an order? an everybody ignored that it was illegal and the respective soldier bringing it up did not need to fear prosecution? so in essence at NORAD itself at least a dozen people knew for sure minutes after second impact that this was a conspiracy done by the american government against the american people and nobody said anything for five years? at least: hard to swallow. alex jones does not seem to have a problem with it. well he makes money on this kind of information. he does not have to stand straight for its correctness ...