What Really Counts Getting Started

Discussion in 'Trading' started by bone, Mar 23, 2017.

  1. true that upward drift is an advantage .....in some ways, however, at the cost of giving up compounding your money that short-term trading affords. And compounding is a huge exponential profit maximizer.
     
    #61     Mar 26, 2017
  2. Yeah I've been doing #3 for quite a bit and it's the one thing that's helped me on my road to consistency. Takes up a lot of time but it's well worth it. Heck I'm sure most of the trading journals of profitable traders are worth more than any book on sale right now as it contains a lot of important information.
    Really helps to identify why you lost on a trade, or what caused that trade to be a big winner.
     
    #62     Mar 26, 2017
  3. Gotcha

    Gotcha

    Totally agree here. So often even when a trader wants to explain what they do, they never quite get it right. But when you are able to look at their trades, it sometimes paints a much different picture. Even given a set or rules, different people will do different things with it. The actual trades that are entered, and where they are exited is more valuable to me when evaluating a trader than hearing them go on and on about what they do or how they think they do it.
     
    #63     Mar 26, 2017
  4. This is what I've been saying for years. Daytrading cannot possibly be more profitable than long term trading without huge volatility (= large intraday range), frictional costs only cease to matter when you can risk 2 pts to make 10+ pts, intraday.
     
    #64     Mar 26, 2017
  5. volpri

    volpri

    I agree.
    The entries...exits..SL... are all indicated on most all my charts I post. However, my SL's vary in size depending on the context in which I take the trade. Many times I only enter a hard SL of 1 point. Sometimes 2. In rare occasions 3. And on very rare occasions 4 pts SL in the ES. Most are 1 to 2. If trading NQ then stop losses are different.
     
    #65     Mar 26, 2017
  6. bone

    bone

    Here's a topic - in my day trading career (90's early 2000's) I've had to reinvent my "edge".... my "setup"... every 3 or 4 years. It seemed like the bid-ask got too crowded and traded out too fast, or slippage made the proposition too vulnerable, exchange order fill priorities fucked me, or my highly correlated intermarket keys became uncorrelated.

    I've been trading a swing trading sysytem for the past several years and it has held up so well. IMHO, I've come to believe that modeling and trading in longer time frames just seems to hold up. In some ways I've come to believe that to find a way to insulate yourself from the noise and the circuses can be an edge ??
     
    #66     Mar 26, 2017
  7. volpri

    volpri

    Without looking like an ass may I remind all that 70 years ago there were trends...ranges..channels...trendlines...wedges...Dt...Db...triangles...flags..pennant....spikes...head and shoulders..reversals...etc ad nauseum. In the 80's the same patterns were still there. In the 90's and 2000's they were there. In 2016 they were there. In 2017 they ARE here. 70 years ago trading by handrawn charts and they were there. Now in 2017 computers trade probably at least 70% (and probably more like 80%) of the trading activity. AND the SAME patterns are still there. Human nature and our DNA WILL have to change drastically for trading to change. "How" we actually do our trading will change as technology changes (hand dawn charts vs computer generated) but the chart patterns based on human nature and behavior will always be the same at least for the next several hundred years (if the end didn't doesn't come first). So....learn price action trading via patterns and you will not lose your edge. Learn what happens when the patterns are successful (i.e. the PA results in expected price action) and just as important learn what to do when the patterns fail and how PA will probally act upon failures. Fundamentals will change as demand..supply changes..etc. TA indicators will work and then stop working for a while. However, PA patterns have always been with us and will be for the foreseeable future. So learn them well ...when and how to trade them ...and what to do when they fail. Your edge will continue.
     
    #67     Mar 26, 2017
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  8. volpri

    volpri

    Not so.
     
    #68     Mar 27, 2017
  9. themickey

    themickey

    As an EOD trader, I believe daytrading for some traders could be more profitable however much more work is required, the level of attention is far greater.
    Day trading is unforgiving where distraction is involved.
    If you were being paid an hourly rate of return I think EOD may be better, probably unproveable though.
     
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    #69     Mar 27, 2017