What makes a master trader?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by kut2k2, Dec 13, 2013.

  1. Trading is not like all jobs. It is not even a job. It is unlike all jobs. At best, trading is a zero sum game, one cannot monetize his work and time. If you are making money, I would bet that you have large capital and you hold long enough which makes you an investor.

    Trading has some positives, but not what people might think at first. It helps one understand risk and reward at a deeper level. Understand human nature including (others and one's nature).

    The greatest benefit is probably if one learns and becomes successful, he may try managing OPM. He would need marketing skills and spend time building his business. Once he does that he has a 2% cut each year (which is a free bond coupon), a free call option on profits, and a free put on losses.

    If fund is say 1B, check how much is a 2% bond and ATM leaps call for 20% participation (price ~0.40*Volty/5). The reward is huge on the education one gets if he translates that to a business of managing OPM. I think it is not easy because the success in managing OPM is not essentially to know how to make money, but to have clients for the fund. You need people writing about you in books, in newspapers, invitation to TV, etc. Nothing to do with knowing how to trade.
     
    #11     Dec 13, 2013
  2. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    I like that. Esp the part about the money. For most, the money is primary. Which is why they fail.
     
    #12     Dec 13, 2013
  3. Money in their account should primary. You discussed the reward, what they see is the loss from their account.
     
    #13     Dec 13, 2013
  4. Take the example of George. I would bet he is a lousy trader, or not as viewed in the mind of the people. But his traders on the other hand must be good.
     
    #14     Dec 13, 2013
  5. Great story and lesson here...thanks for sharing

    We all have a common thing to trade and that is our time, so you might as well trade your time doing something that you love doing and master your trade!
     
    #15     Dec 13, 2013
  6. Visaria

    Visaria

    George? Soros?
     
    #16     Dec 13, 2013
  7. Visaria

    Visaria

    Perhaps the journey to become a master trader never ends....

    Read this: Mastery - The Keys To Success And Long-Term Fulfillment - George Leonard
     
    #17     Dec 13, 2013
  8. Well, the answer, this as to be endowed forever as "Quant Master", entitles me to specific response:

    You must have such a rigorous background in statistics, mathematics, quantitative financial acumen, and understanding of econometric modeling that to say all of you are capable of it is the first point I'd make in telling you that that's not the case.

    If you aren't bringing the models out, top down, up from bottom and the numbers don't say xx,xxx% over at least two years with <50% dd it's not going to matter either way to point out that there aren't any people but the ones I've seen who are successful who have started from those numbers and built up a 12+ month track record to back it. There's practically nobody like that and the only ones who are do get backing.

    Basically, if you can augment several profitable methods with risk management it can be turned into a form of financial science where automation ensures that the executions you do in live trading will bear out, for the most part, the xx,xxx% returns you are estimating but you shouldn't be surprised if an xxx% APR is really xxx%/2 and DD%*2.

    This is where Quant Master started, where did you start?
     
    #18     Dec 13, 2013
  9. Visaria

    Visaria

    Er, I have this and I don't think it has helped me very much in terms of trading, although in no doubt helped me in gaining employment when i first started out. The econometric modelling part is total bs, btw :D
     
    #19     Dec 13, 2013
  10. The ability to surf the web and trade at the same time.. :D
     
    #20     Dec 13, 2013