What lessons can traders draw from Amaranth blow-up?

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by learner88, Oct 29, 2017.

  1. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    #41     Oct 30, 2017
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  2. Thanks for all the replies here. Insightful. I think it's a combination of bad luck (bad weather and strong enemy), the usual large leverage, large position, hubris that led to the blow-up.
     
    #42     Oct 31, 2017
  3. Again, you can also add Endeavour to the list of the RV blowups...

    But yeah, I think RV, as a strategy, has some "short vol" features. Moreover, it's remarkably easy for one of those BSDs to end up with a feeling of overconfidence and omniscience when doing RV. Et voila, the end result is more often than not a pretty spectacular blowup.
     
    #43     Oct 31, 2017
  4. I have read up on the Amaranth blow-up episode. It was definitely a case of position size getting too large. On certain months, Amaranth natural gas trading took up >50% of the month's open contracts and trading volume. In fact, the positions were so huge that they breached regulatory limits, not to mention risk limits. Futures exist for the hedgers to hedge price for risk management but irresponsible speculators such as Amaranth ran up prices that make lives hard for hedgers. Natural gas prices got so out of whack that even the hedgers were complaining about prices going out of whack with fundamentals.

    So what if Amaranth reported big profits on its position? Prices were going up on the weight of Brian Hunter's buying. There's no way to get out without pushing down prices. Just as prices go up on the weight of Hunter's buying, it will go down on the weight of his selling. Futures are not for long-term investments that one can buy and hold like stocks. Futures are for trading. It is quite foolish to get into such large positions that are hard to unwind in the first place. Hunter was essentially betting that change in weather conditions will bail him out. Maybe he did not go to church regularly and God did not bail him out.

    Amaranth was a multi-strategy hedge fund. It is irresponsible of the people in charge to let a trader turn it into an energy hedge fund. Investors were right to feel cheated.
     
    #44     Nov 12, 2017
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  5. Trader13

    Trader13

    And if Brian Hunter got lucky and the trade went his way, he would have been lauded as a great trader without being called out for taking a bad risk.
     
    #45     Nov 12, 2017
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  6. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    Well, that is what happened with John Arnold. Our hero. :)
     
    #46     Nov 13, 2017
  7. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    Well, that is what happened with John Arnold. Our hero. :)
     
    #47     Nov 13, 2017
  8. comagnum

    comagnum

    What lessons can traders draw from Amaranth blow-up?

    The blew up for the same reason that churns so many retail traders - piss poor risk mgmt. - simple as that.
     
    Last edited: Nov 13, 2017
    #48     Nov 13, 2017