What kind of returns are possible?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Cutten, Dec 9, 2008.

What's the highest practical long-run compound annual return, keeping drawdowns <20%?

  1. 10% - you can't beat stocks

    4 vote(s)
    5.3%
  2. 10-20%

    9 vote(s)
    12.0%
  3. 20-30%

    14 vote(s)
    18.7%
  4. 30-40%

    7 vote(s)
    9.3%
  5. 40-50%

    4 vote(s)
    5.3%
  6. 50-75%

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. 75-100%

    1 vote(s)
    1.3%
  8. 100%+

    36 vote(s)
    48.0%
  1. I misunderstood what you were trying to say.
     
    #21     Dec 12, 2008
  2. Cutten, would you reveal what's the point of this, or you'd rather wait for some more opinions :confused: I really miss to see the point of this question, unless you are setting up your pension plan or something :) Or is it just a theoretical question...
     
    #22     Dec 13, 2008
  3. m22au

    m22au

    So very true Cutten.

    As my account size has increased, I have deliberately reduced the amount of risk I take.

    Although it's quite obvious, most people forget that it's much harder to make $100,000 profit when starting with $25,000, than it is to make that some profit when starting with $2.5 million.

    (Assuming inflation below 10%), If I had $1 billion, I probably wouldn't be too concerned about making 100% per year for the next 10 years, in order to reach $1 trillion. A return of 1% (government bonds and/or government insured bank accounts anyone?) would provide an income of $10 million.


     
    #23     Dec 13, 2008
  4. Technically, this is untrue. All of the funds still in the account are compounding as before. The original account value needs to be adjusted downward in the manner of a Present Value/Future Value calculation to reflect the periodic disposition of funds.
     
    #24     Dec 13, 2008
  5. Cutten

    Cutten

    To find out what people's return expectations are.
     
    #25     Dec 13, 2008
  6. What are our scalability assumptions?
     
    #26     Dec 13, 2008
  7. Cutten

    Cutten

    Real world i.e. "practical".
     
    #27     Dec 13, 2008
  8. I see :)

    I really wonder if the people who voted "100%+" know even one investor/speculator who has achieved such spectacular risk adjusted returns. I don't think that there is such person. In fact I don't think that any person has ever achieved to increase his capital 1,000,000 times from speculation or investment for a period of 20 years, regardless of drawdown. I am sure that even in private equity there is no one with such record.
     
    #28     Dec 13, 2008
  9. neke

    neke

    This just reminds me of an expected growth in equity I drew up long ago (when still unprofitable!). The expected annual return is dependent on capital under management. Here is something similar to what I drew up. At the end it should be asymptotic to expected natural growth in world asset prices /inflation (which I pinned at 3%)

    Code:
    Under Management	Expected Return(%)
    
    10,000				912
    100,000				458
    1,000,000			231
    10,000,000			117
    100,000,000			60
    1,000,000,000			32
    10,000,000,000			17
    100,000,000,000			10
    1,000,000,000,000		7
    10,000,000,000,000		5
    
    
     
    #29     Dec 13, 2008