What is your strategy?

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by kut2k2, Mar 28, 2014.

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  1. The risk is that you lose 10 times in a row, each time 2.7% of the bankroll.
     
    #261     Apr 16, 2014
  2. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    No, I mean the risk per spin. For a single bet, the bet risk is easy: 100%, because that's how much of your bet you lose when you lose. So your risk (to your bankroll) is your bet size.

    But we now have a combination of bets where your betsize is 100% of your bankroll but the most you can lose (indeed, your only possible loss) is 2.7% of your bankroll.

    So does the definition of "risk" stay constant or does it change with the strategy? Trading is immeasurably less predictable than this or any other casino game (leaving aside cheating or faulty equipment). So I don't see the definition of "trading risk" being strategy-dependent, but maybe that's just me.

    So is the risk per spin using this thread's optimal strategy 100% or 2.7%?
     
    #262     Apr 16, 2014

  3. Well, I have another surprise for us all. You were right about betting on black color -- it's worthless. But as it turned out, betting on individual red numbers is much better than betting on red color, to the point that no money should be wasted in betting on red color.

    Here are my latest results which allow all types of bets:
    R16: bet on R16
    R14: bet on R14
    RC: bet on red color
    RN: bet on all individual red numbers (other than R16 and R14)
    BC: bet on black color
    BN: bet on all individual black numbers (including Green-0)

    The top strategy is:
    10.8% on R16
    8.1% on R14
    0% on Red color
    43.3% on all individual red numbers, equally distributed
    0% on black color
    37.8% on all individual black numbers, equally distributed


    Code:
    	R16	R14	RC	RN	BC	BN	F(R16,R14,RC,RN,BC,BN)
    	10.8	8.1	0.0	43.3	0.0	37.8	0.5192641
    	10.8	8.1	0.0	43.2	0.0	37.9	0.5192639
    	10.9	8.1	0.0	43.2	0.0	37.8	0.5192606
    	10.8	8.1	0.0	43.4	0.0	37.7	0.5192593
    	10.8	8.2	0.0	43.2	0.0	37.8	0.5192591
    	10.8	8.1	0.0	43.1	0.0	38.0	0.5192588
    	10.9	8.1	0.0	43.1	0.0	37.9	0.5192582
    	10.9	8.1	0.0	43.3	0.0	37.7	0.5192582
    	10.7	8.1	0.0	43.3	0.0	37.9	0.5192581
    	10.8	8.2	0.0	43.1	0.0	37.9	0.5192566
    
     
    #263     Apr 16, 2014
  4. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    So basically what you're saying is ...

    Divide your bankroll into 37 equal parts and bet one part on each wheel slot. This works out to 4 parts on R-16, 3 parts on R-14, and one part on each of the other 30 numbers. Interesting.

    k*E == 0.446, which happens to be identical to the previous strategy:

    Divide your bankroll into 37 equal parts. Bet one part on each of the not-red numbers, bet 18 parts on Red, bet 3 parts on R-16 and bet 2 parts on R-14.

    How exactly are you measuring these strategies?
     
    #264     Apr 16, 2014
  5. I didn't think of it this way, but yes, as it turns out, it is almost exactly 1/37 of the bankroll on every single number. There is a certain beauty in this, isn't there? So, what's the E*k for this?
     
    #265     Apr 16, 2014
  6. Can you check again? The current strategy is much superior to the previous one.

    The performance metric, F(R16,R14,RC,RN,BC,BN), is the geometric rate of the bankroll growth per spin. I am maximizing this function, so the resulting bets are Kelly-optimal.
     
    #266     Apr 16, 2014
  7. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    I checked again, and my k*E values are identical for the two strategies.

    Can you write out the formula for F(...)? Thanks.
     
    #267     Apr 16, 2014

  8. F(R16,R14,RC,RN,BC,BN) =
    = pR16 * log1p(35 * r16 - r14 + red - redNumber - black - blackNumber)
    + pR14 * log1p(-r16 + 35 * r14 + red - redNumber - black - blackNumber)
    + pRedSingle * log1p(-r16 - r14 + red + 35 * (redNumber / 14) - black - blackNumber)
    + pBlack * log1p(-r16 - r14 - red - redNumber + black + 35 * (blackNumber / 14))


    where

    pR16 = 4 / 37
    pR14 = 3 / 37
    pRedSingle = 16 / 37
    pBlack = 14 / 37

    r16 = percent of the bankroll to bet on R16
    r14 = percent of the bankroll to bet on R14
    red = percent of the bankroll to bet on red color
    redNumber = percent of the bankroll to bet on all red numbers other than R16 and R14
    black = percent of the bankroll to bet on black color
    blackNumber = percent of the bankroll to bet on all black numbers (including Green-0)

    log1p(x) = ln(1 + x)
     
    #268     Apr 16, 2014
  9. I've spotted a typo in my code.

    This:
    pRedSingle * log1p(-r16 - r14 + red + 35 * (redNumber / 14) - black - blackNumber)

    Should be this:
    pRedSingle * log1p(-r16 - r14 + red + 35 * (redNumber / 16) - black - blackNumber)

    I am re-running the simulation.
     
    #269     Apr 16, 2014
  10. After fixing the typo, the top 10 strategies are almost identical to what they were before. It's just F(.) was reduced:

    Code:
    	R16	R14	RC	RN	BC	BN	F(R16,R14,RC,RN,BC,BN)
    	10.8	8.1	0.0	43.2	0.0	37.8	0.4784760
    	10.8	8.1	0.0	43.3	0.0	37.7	0.4784735
    	10.8	8.1	0.0	43.1	0.0	37.9	0.4784735
    	10.9	8.1	0.0	43.1	0.0	37.8	0.4784707
    	10.9	8.1	0.0	43.2	0.0	37.7	0.4784705
    	10.7	8.1	0.0	43.3	0.0	37.8	0.4784697
    	10.7	8.1	0.0	43.2	0.0	37.9	0.4784695
    	10.8	8.2	0.0	43.1	0.0	37.8	0.4784691
    	10.8	8.2	0.0	43.2	0.0	37.7	0.4784689
    	10.8	8.0	0.0	43.3	0.0	37.8	0.4784682
    
     
    #270     Apr 16, 2014
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