What is your strategy?

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by kut2k2, Mar 28, 2014.

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  1. You must have missed this:

     
    #201     Apr 12, 2014
  2. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    Or I read it, vaguely remembered it, but forgot the source. I read something very similar at another website and that triggered my post. Can you run a MCS to verify?
     
    #202     Apr 12, 2014

  3. I confirm SplawnDarts' results. Here are the top 5 combos, if bet on Green is allowed:

    Code:
    	R16	R14	Red	Green	F(R16,R14,Red,Green)
    	8.1	5.4	11.4	0.6	0.117290
    	8.1	5.4	11.5	0.6	0.117289
    	8.1	5.4	11.3	0.6	0.117289
    	8.1	5.4	11.6	0.6	0.117288
    	8.1	5.4	11.2	0.6	0.117287
    
    Unexpected and very interesting, indeed.
     
    #203     Apr 13, 2014
  4. I just started reading this thread from its beginning, and wrote my thoughts before I could read the solutions of others. A first solution that came to mind is: 8% on R16, 4.6% on R14 and 20.97% on Red. How far is it from the best solution found so far? I think there is a need for an iterative process, since the positive mean of each strategy would act as if the bankroll was a bit higher which would translate to higher kelly than the kelly of each strategy taken alone. In addition, the relative ranking of the strategies would imply an adjustment (to the lower side except for the best option) to the kelly numbers as capital would first be allocated to relatively superior strategies. Even the green could make it in the set if its inclusion could lead to wins when the other strategies lead to losses, as long as its win is higher than (its loss - minus the combined losses from other choices when the green wins). Overall, R16 should get at least 8%, R14 and Red kelly adjustment would depend the balance of the factors described in the previous two sentences.
     
    #204     Apr 13, 2014
  5. Visaria

    Visaria

    V suspicious that.

    If correct, why not stick something on all the other (black) numbers as well?
     
    #205     Apr 13, 2014
  6. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    Thanks for running the MCS. But what is F(R16, R14, Red, Green)?
     
    #206     Apr 13, 2014
  7. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    Probably because all those small loses add up fast. This scheme doesn't work at all if the bet on Red is disallowed.
     
    #207     Apr 13, 2014
  8. I started with the Monte-Carlo simulation, generating a random number between 1 and 37 (inclusive), millions of times, and noting where the LN(bankroll) reaches the maximum. That works, but it converges slowly, and is not precise.

    Then SplawnDarts suggested a much better solution, which does not require any random number generation, and is precise. I've expanded SplawnDarts' equation to include the bet on green, and that's how I came up with the results above, which match those posted by SplawnDarts.

    Here is how F(R16, R14, Red, Green) looks like:
    Code:
    F(R16,R14,Red,Green) = (4/37) * log1p(35 * R16 - Green - R14 + Red)
    		     + (3/37) * log1p(-R16 + 35 * R14 - Green + Red)
                         + (16/37) * log1p(-R16 - R14 - Green + Red)
                         + (13/37) * log1p(-R16 - R14 - Green - Red)
                         + (1/37) * log1p(-R16 - R14 + 35 * Green - Red)
    
    where
    log1p(x) = ln(1 + x),
    R16 is the percent of the bankroll to bet on R16,
    R14 is the percent of the bankroll to bet on R14,
    Red is the percent of the bankroll to bet on Red,
    Green is the percent of the bankroll to bet on Green.

    I have a small Java program which finds the maximum of F(R16,R14,Red,Green) by brute force: iterating through all possible combinations of R16, R14, Red, and Green.
     
    #208     Apr 13, 2014
  9. It still does:

    Code:
    		R16	R14	Red	Green    F(R16,R14,Red,Green)
    		8.4	5.7	0.0	0.3      0.110270
    		8.5	5.7	0.0	0.3	 0.110269
    		8.4	5.8	0.0	0.3	 0.110268
    		8.5	5.8	0.0	0.3	 0.110266
    		8.4	5.7	0.0	0.4	 0.110262
    		8.3	5.7	0.0	0.3	 0.110261
    		8.5	5.7	0.0	0.4	 0.110261
    		8.4	5.8	0.0	0.4	 0.110260
    		8.3	5.8	0.0	0.3	 0.110260
    		8.4	5.6	0.0	0.3	 0.110259
    
     
    #209     Apr 13, 2014
  10. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    Not my results.

    For {F, S, G} == {0.057, 0.084, 0.000}, k*E == 0.3523

    For {F, S, G} == {0.057, 0.084, 0.003}, k*E == 0.3522
     
    #210     Apr 13, 2014
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