What is your strategy?

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  1. See here: http://www.bjmath.com/bjmath/thorp/paper.htm, equation 7.4.

    See here: http://quantivity.wordpress.com/2011/02/21/why-log-returns/

    Some of my strategies have Kelly-optimal leverage of 180.
     
    #181     Apr 8, 2014
  2. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    There's a huge difference between log(r) and log(1+r).

    And the Kelly equation is the result of first taking the logarithm of the gain before taking the differential. It looks like you're conflating a derivation with a final result.
    And do you trust this number? And how is this leverage applied? To the bankroll or to the trade size?
     
    #182     Apr 8, 2014
  3. Both can be used, depending on how you calculate the return:
    LN(1 + (price2 - price1) / price1) = LN(price2 / price1) = LN(price2) - LN(price1)
     
    #183     Apr 8, 2014
  4. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    Yes I said that.

    If r == ln(p2/p1), then what do you mean by ln(r)?
     
    #184     Apr 8, 2014
  5. You are becoming defensive, dude.
     
    #185     Apr 8, 2014
  6. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    Not at all. Here's what you posted.
    Nowhere in the link you provided is ln(r) or log(r) mentioned. What is talked about is log(1+r), which is vastly different from log(r), and which I already said is one step in the derivation of the Kelly equation.

    The derivation of the Kelly equation is straightforward. There's nothing ambiguous about it.

    I am now convinced that the CK formula is just an approximation, and not a very good one.

    To be sure, all of the Kelly formulae are approximations for all but the simplest scenarios (binary outcomes, like coin flips). But some approximations are better than others, and I see nothing to recommend the CK formula, especially if it is giving results like a leverage of 180. :eek:
     
    #186     Apr 8, 2014
  7. So, your approximation is a better one, then?
     
    #187     Apr 8, 2014
  8. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    My approximation doesn't output leverages, especially in the three-digit range.
     
    #188     Apr 8, 2014
  9. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    A Tale of Two Horses II
    At long last, so have I.

    I tried different ways but got nowhere with my unit-bet analysis. So I went back to the relationship established by Splawndarts and, with the aid of an on-line equation solver, I got the following results:

    F == 5.72% and S == 8.43%

    Surprisingly, at least to me, both F and S are larger than their respective single-bet Kelly fractions.

    Specifically, F is 4.4% larger than k14 and S is 2% larger than k16.

    This implies some sort of synergy is created by combining mutually exclusive bets. Any thoughts?
     
    #189     Apr 10, 2014
  10. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    We agree.
     
    #190     Apr 11, 2014
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