What is your Sharpe?

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by TraDaToR, Nov 14, 2016.

  1. algofy

    algofy

    It's sarcasm.
     
    #61     Nov 30, 2016
  2. ironchef

    ironchef

    :D

    According to my brokerage house, my trading style produced a much higher standard deviation than SP500 so my Sharpe is not that impressive.:(
     
    #62     Nov 30, 2016
  3. algofy

    algofy

    yeah I'm not even sure why my sharpe is, or even how it's calculated so I'm in the same boat I'm sure.
     
    #63     Dec 1, 2016
  4. ironchef

    ironchef

    S&P500 Annual Returns since 2009:
    Dec. 31, 2016 5.87%
    Dec. 31, 2015 1.40%
    Dec. 31, 2014 13.69%
    Dec. 31, 2013 32.39%
    Dec. 31, 2012 16.00%
    Dec. 31, 2011 2.11%
    Dec. 31, 2010 15.06%
    Dec. 31, 2009 26.46%

    I don't think they beat the S&P benchmark. And considering S&P has a Sharpe of 0.82, I don't understand how they can have a Sharpe of over 2.6? Can you explain?

    Thanks.
     
    #64     Dec 1, 2016
  5. d08

    d08

    My long-term and recent Sharpe is so low that after seeing these numbers I will have to commit seppuku now.
     
    #65     Dec 1, 2016
  6. TraDaToR

    TraDaToR

    LOL... Remember mine is the aggregate of several strategies. I guess it is the same for others here. Some of my strategies have a sharpe between 1 and 2 but with uncorrelated diversification, we end up with much higher numbers...
     
    #66     Dec 1, 2016
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  7. d08

    d08

    That's what I was doing as well but when you have one strategy fail and another not perform well, Sharpe dives.
    Even when diversifying signals on one strategy, there's still is quite a lot of market risk and I've learned that the hard way recently. Equities seem to move much less independently than they used to, perhaps it's because of the rise of pair trading.
     
    #67     Dec 1, 2016
  8. ironchef

    ironchef

    I am not an economist or a finance guy, so my question for you esteem traders: Can someone with a lower Sharpe be doing better than one with higher Sharpe in absolute returns? o_O

    I am thinking since Sharpe is ~(net return)/(standard deviation), I could have the same Sharpe as S&P but with a higher Std Dev, my return is actually better? In that case instead of committing hara-kiri, we should go out and celebrate.
     
    #68     Dec 1, 2016
  9. d08

    d08

    Of course. Sharpe is just returns adjusted for volatility. There are some who trade without regard to risk, so their Sharpe might be very low while their return is better than everyone here.
     
    #69     Dec 1, 2016
  10. algofy

    algofy

    All of us non sharpe caring people should celebrate.
     
    #70     Dec 1, 2016
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