What is wrong with the Muslims?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by saxon, Jun 8, 2009.

  1. saxon


    On also a daily basis, for YEARS now, Islamic extremists have been bombing Muslim mosques--even in the middle of prayers; and yet the global Islamic community seems to take it in stride, and offer little if any condemnation of the perpetrators!

    If the US were to deliberately bomb a mosque, can you imagine the headlines?? It would be an instant "Holy" War.

    I don't get it. :confused:

    What can you say about a group that can get hopping mad over a newspaper cartoon, but seems almost indifferent to the daily murder of its own people, BY its own people. crazy...
  2. Tresor



    Muslims killing Muslims has nothing or little to do with religion. It's about politics. There are minor civil wars going on in this region.

    Christians killing Christians during American Civil War was not about religion. It was about politics.

    Spanish Civil War was not a war between Christians. This was a war to get power in the country.

    Etc, etc.

  3. Were the bombings something like Sunni vs. Shiite vs. Kurd vs. other Islamic branches? They often tend to think of the other as apostate, almost an enemy. If they do it to their OWN mosques, that would be interesting indeed...
  4. saxon


    When the killing is done in the name of GOD, and takes place in a MOSQUE...then I think it is hard to make a case that it has "nothing or little to do with religion", or that the vast all-too-silent majority of Muslims should not be outraged.
  5. maxpi


    The muslim population overall is far smaller than it should be considering the resources in the ME and the size of the population at the time of Mohammed. People looked into that and concluded that over the centuries they have been killing each other that much. It's what they do.

    I wonder how much plural marriage leads to that. They have a lot of young guys that will never marry... couple that with a license to kill via Jihad and you have a recipe for disaster.. and I don't really give a rats ass, like nearly everybody on the planet, they make their troubles.
  6. Tresor


    When Hitler bombed churches full of praying people was it also about religion? Come on...

    When priest are massively killed and nuns massively raped and then killed in Columbia, is it also about religion? If I am not mistaken some 100 thousand people already died in this conflict.

    Please remember civil wars are the most cruel ones. Soldiers do not die in civil wars as massvely as in open field wars. Civilian dies. Whre you can target civilians easily? During prayers.
  7. saxon


    You are missing my point.
  8. A rational person must ask who gains from this. I mean, it's basically done for our media consumption, war must be SOLD to us. Constantly.

    When you have a brainwashed army who just follow orders, they will do what they're told. The West has a long and rich history of destabilizing countries.


    Iran officials accuse US over mosque bombing

    Friday, May 29, 2009

    Iranian officials accused the United States on Friday of “hiring” those behind a suicide bombing of a Shiite mosque that killed 25 people, linking the attack to next month’s presidential election.

    “Three people involved with the terrorist incident were arrested,” said Jalal Sayah, deputy governor of Sistan-Baluchestan, the province bordering Pakistan and Afghanistan where the attack took place.

    “According to the information obtained they were hired by America and the agents of the arrogance,” Sayah told the Fars news agency. Officials usually use the term “global arrogance” to refer to Iran arch-foe the United States.
  9. Most americans do not even realize the war is against THEM, played out via war propaganda daily. We must occupy resource-rich countries! It's our "right" as the white man, we think we are morally superior. Or, we are told we kill people in 3rd world countries for "glory, liberty, and honor". But in reality the army works for corporations.

    Golden Mosque
    Bombing - Who Benefits?

    By Dahr Jamail

    The most important question to ask regarding the bombings of the Golden Mosque in Samarra on the 22nd is: who benefits?

    Prior to asking this question, let us note the timing of the bombing. The last weeks in Iraq have been a PR disaster for the occupiers.

    First, the negative publicity of the video of British soldiers beating and abusing young Iraqis has generated a backlash for British occupation forces they,ve yet to face in Iraq.

    Indicative of this, Abdul Jabbar Waheed, the head of the Misan provincial council in southern Iraq, announced his councils, decision to lift the immunity British forces have enjoyed, so that the soldiers who beat the young Iraqis can be tried in Iraqi courts. Former U.S. proconsul Paul Bremer had issued an order granting all occupation soldiers and western contractors immunity to Iraqi law when he was head of the CPA
    but this province has now decided to lift that so the British soldiers can be investigated and tried under Iraqi law.

    This deeply meaningful event, if replicated around Iraq, will generate a huge rift between the occupiers and local governments. A rift which, of course, the puppet government in Baghdad will be unable to mend.

    The other huge event which drew Iraqis into greater solidarity with one another was more photos and video aired depicting atrocities within Abu Ghraib at the hands of U.S. occupation forces.

    The inherent desecration of Islam and shaming of the Iraqi people shown in these images enrages all Iraqis.

    In a recent press conference, the aforementioned Waheed urged the Brits to allow members of the provincial committee to visit a local jail to check on detainees; perhaps Waheed is alarmed as to what their condition may be after seeing more photos and videos from Abu Ghraib.

    Waheed also warned British forces that if they didn,t not comply with the demands of the council, all British political, security and reconstruction initiatives will be boycotted.

    Basra province has already taken similar steps, and similar machinations are occurring in Kerbala.

    Basra and Misan provinces, for example, refused to raise the cost of petrol when the puppet government in Baghdad, following orders from the IMF, decided to recently raise the cost of Iraqi petrol at the pumps several times last December.

    The horrific attack which destroyed much of the Golden Mosque generated sectarian outrage which led to attacks on over 50 Sunni mosques. Many Sunni mosques in Baghdad were shot, burnt, or taken over. Three Imans were killed, along with scores of others in widespread violence.

    This is what was shown by western corporate media.

    As quickly as these horrible events began, they were called to an end and replaced by acts of solidarity between Sunni and Shia across Iraq.

    This, however, was not shown by western corporate media.

    The Sunnis were the first to go to demonstrations of solidarity with Shia in Samarra, as well as to condemn the mosque bombings. Demonstrations of solidarity between Sunni and Shia went off over all of Iraq: in Basra, Diwaniyah, Nasiriyah, Kut, and Salah al-Din.

    Thousands of Shia marched shouting anti-American slogans through Sadr City, the huge Shia slum area of Baghdad, which is home to nearly half
    the population of the capital city. Meanwhile, in the primarily Shia city of Kut, south of Baghdad, thousands marched while shouting slogans against America and Israel and burning U.S. and Israeli flags.

    Baghdad had huge demonstrations of solidarity, following announcements by several Shia religious leaders not to attack Sunni mosques.

    Attacks stopped after these announcements, coupled with those from Sadr, which I,ll discuss shortly.

    Shia cleric Grand Ayatollah Ali Al-Sistani, shortly after the Golden Mosque was attacked, called for "easing things down and not attacking any Sunni mosques and shrines, as Sunni religious authorities calledfor a truce and invited everyone to block the way of those trying to generate a sectarian war.

    Sistani,s office issued this statement: "We call upon believers to express their protest ... through peaceful means. The extent of their sorrow and shock should not drag them into taking actions that serve the enemies who have been working to lead Iraq into sectarian strife.

    Shiite religious authority Ayatollah Hussein Ismail al-Sadr warned of the emergence of a sectarian strife "that terrorists want to ignite between the Iraqis by the bombings and said, "The Iraqi Shiite authority strenuously denied that Sunnis could have done this work.

    He also said, "Of course it is not Sunnis who did this work; it is the terrorists who are the enemies of the Shiites and Sunni, Muslims and non Muslims. They are the enemies of all religions; terrorism does not have a religion.

    He warned against touching any Sunni Mosque, saying, "our Sunni brothers, mosques must be protected and we must all stand against terrorism and sabotage. He added: The two shrines are located in the Samarra region, which [is] predominantly Sunni. They have been protecting, using and guarding the mosques for years, it is not them but terrorism that targeted the mosques

    He ruled out the possibility of a civil war while telling a reporter, "I don,t believe there will a civil or religious war in Iraq; thank God that our Sunni and Shiite references are urging everyone to not respond to these terrorist and sabotage acts. We are aware of their attempts as are our people; Sistani had issued many statements [regarding this issue] just as we did.

    The other, and more prominent Sadr, Muqtada Al-Sadr, who has already lead two uprisings against occupation forces, held Takfiris [those who regard other Muslims as infidels], Ba,thists, and especially the foreign occupation responsible for the bombing attack on the Golden Mosque in Samarra.

    Sadr, who suspended his visit to Lebanon and cancelled his meeting with the president there, promptly returned to Iraq in order to call on the Iraqi parliament to vote on the request for the departure of the occupation forces from Iraq.

    "It was not the Sunnis who attacked the shrine of Imam Al-Hadi, God,s peace be upon him, but rather the occupation [forces] and Ba,athists God damn them. We should not attack Sunni mosques. I ordered Al-Mahdi Army to protect the Shi,i and Sunni shrines.

    Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the supreme leader of Iran, urged Iraqi Shia not to seek revenge against Sunni Muslims, saying there were definite plots "to force the Shia to attack the mosques and other properties respected by the Sunni. Any measure to contribute to that direction is helping the enemies of Islam and is forbidden by sharia.

    Instead, he blamed the intelligence services of the U.S. and Israel for being behind the bombs at the Golden Mosque.

    British Prime Minister Tony Blair stated that those who committed the attack on the Golden Mosque "have only one motive: to create a violent sedition between the Sunnis and the Shiites in order to derail the Iraqi rising democracy from its path.

    Well said Mr. Blair, particularly when we keep in mind the fact that less than a year ago in Basra, two undercover British SAS soldiers were detained by Iraqi security forces whilst traveling in a car full of bombs and remote detonators.

    Jailed and accused by Muqtada al-Sadr and others of attempting to generate sectarian conflict by planting bombs in mosques, they were broken out of the Iraqi jail by the British military before they could be tried.

    (c)2004, 2005 Dahr Jamail
  10. Tresor


    Yes, I know I went off-track. Frankly speaking I am a bit annoyed with the whole anty-Muslim paranoia. Hundreds of people are killed in terrorist attacks in India every year; these attacks could also fall into the category of being done in the name of god. Did you know it?

    But still people talk about Muslims, Muslims, Muslims. Aren't you getting bored with Muslims? This is becoming no more interesting than last winter's snowfalls.
    #10     Jun 8, 2009