What is the proper way to set up a Collar?

Discussion in 'Options' started by crgarcia, Oct 5, 2009.

  1. To improve the collar, trade the equivalent position instead.

    a) Sell the put with the same strike and expiration as the call you planned to sell.

    b) Buy the same put you would have bought.

    This is the short put spread and it has the same risk/reward profile as the collar.


    As far as planning the trade is concerned, it may be easier for you to think of when to trade each leg when there are only two of them, instead of three.

    Mark
     
    #11     Oct 7, 2009
  2. MTE

    MTE

    Call vertical...put vertical...same difference. Once again, if you already own the stock then the spreads are irrelevant.
     
    #12     Oct 7, 2009
  3. Hester

    Hester

    a collar is a stock play, its mainly for hedging downside risk in a stock you already own. It doesn't require any cash if you already own the stock. And if you don't own the stock, then yes its more capital intensive but you have defined maximum loss. Its basically a conservative call spread if you don't already own the stock.

    But, With a debit call spread you have to worry about the greeks. With a collar you really don't have to worry much. If you implement a collar and the stock is stays put, you don't lose anything. But if your call spread is out of the money then you lose everything. big difference. Its basically just a bracket order that a stock can't gap through and that will give some time for the stock to reverse rather than immediately selling once the stock hits the stop order.
     
    #13     Oct 7, 2009
  4. spindr0

    spindr0

    If you're and Elite Investor, since chit happens, do the collar. If you're an Elite Trader, get out of Dodge daily :)
     
    #14     Oct 7, 2009
  5. spindr0

    spindr0

    I don't think that it makes much of a difference. If the positions are syntheticlly equivalent, the results will be pretty much the same other than:

    a) A realized option loss versus a paper loss (equity) if the vertical loses, or

    b) With a BEEEG drop below the lower strike, you're going to have a realized gain from the put component of the collar versus a much smaller realized loss on the vertical, unless you close the equity position

    6 of 1, 1/2 a dozen of the other :)
     
    #15     Oct 7, 2009
  6. MTE

    MTE

    A collar is not a "conservative" call spread, it is a call spread. It's the same thing.

    With a debit spread, or credit spread for that matter, you don't have to worry about the greeks more than you have to worry about them in a collar.

    If the stock stays put then your loss in a collar is exactly the same to the loss in a spread. Once again, the two are exactly the same position.

    If your call spread is OTM then your put in a collar is ITM (remember that you are using the same strikes in both positions). And if your put is ITM then you have a loss on the stock.
     
    #16     Oct 8, 2009
  7. Tom1am

    Tom1am

    Something to consider: IRA's, 401ks, HR10 plans, and other types of plans generally do not allow spreads. so the investor is limited to what they can trade.

    In taxable accounts collars may be subject to different tax rules that may make the spread superior.
     
    #17     Oct 8, 2009

  8. With all due respect, you really ought to take the time to gain a better understanding of what it means when positions are equivalent.

    That understanding will translate to cash in your pocket.

    Mark
     
    #18     Oct 8, 2009