What is the name of this position?

Discussion in 'Options' started by drcha, Apr 9, 2010.

  1. Delta varies with strike & time, so yes it is equivalent with two long calls, I just can't tell which ones without knowing the underlying.
     
    #11     Apr 9, 2010
  2. donnap

    donnap


    Hello. Third post by MTE had it right. Also Spin's assessment that it is closer to 1 long call is accurate.

    How is it that you come up with two calls?
     
    #12     Apr 9, 2010
  3. Look, last post, you're splitting hairs here; this is a two sided position so approximately equivalent with two long calls. If you want to get really technical then add up the total position delta, WHICH YOU CAN'T because it's a THEORETICAL position! Okay?

    Good grief!
     
    #13     Apr 9, 2010
  4. donnap

    donnap

    You contradict yourself in the same thread. Well, which is it? Can you add the deltas with unspecified strikes or not? You do realize that a bull put spread is not a call.

    You answer is incorrect - I'm not splitting hairs - just stating the obvious.
     
    #14     Apr 9, 2010
  5. spindr0

    spindr0

    Add the delta up...
    But you can't ...
    because it's theoretical?
    LOL.

    Feel free to peruse any of the nearly 3,000 optionable stocks and find one where the OP's position provides the same result as 2 long calls. Any way you cut it, a bull put spread is not a long call.
     
    #15     Apr 9, 2010
  6. It's a "drcha whammy". You invented it, you get it named after you.
     
    #16     Apr 9, 2010
  7. jamesbp

    jamesbp

    You can 'dissect' this position by taking out the conversion [-u +c -p] at one of the put strikes.

    For Example;

    Long 100 shares
    Short 1 put at 80 strike
    Long 2 puts at 70 strike

    If you dissect the conversion at the 80 strike then the synthetic equivalent of this position is

    Short x2 70/80 put spreads
    Long x1 80 call

    Screenshot attached;

    Original position shown as 'Adjusted Raw Position'
    Synthetic equivalent position shown as 'Adjusted Net Position'

    Hope this helps
    James
     
    #17     Apr 10, 2010
  8. donnap

    donnap

    The 3rd post in this thread had the correct breakdown. You meant x1 put spread?

    Long put + 100s = call
    Leaving x1 put spread
     
    #18     Apr 10, 2010
  9. jamesbp

    jamesbp


    Donna

    No, dissection can be done in different ways;

    I specified that if this position was dissected at the 80 strike it would be the equivalent of -2 x 70/80 put spreads and +1 80 call.

    If you dissected at the 70 strike; you would have, as you say, the equivalent of -1 70/80 put spread and +1 70 call.

    In practice, I personally would find the first dissection easier to manage as the put spreads are at lower strikes than the call.

    However, that is the beauty of dissection, it can be done to suit your own preferred way.

    Cheers
    James


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    #19     Apr 10, 2010
  10. donnap

    donnap


    :D Your answer is incorrect. The 3rd post in this thread had a correct breakdown.

    You do realize that if you match one long put with the stock for the synthetic call - there is only one long put left.
     
    #20     Apr 10, 2010