%% Sounds+ looks like much more evidence for Noah's ark+ Lots wife =salt/ than what the shroud proves.[I'm saying it would be easier to fake that shroud, i dont really have an opinion on that shroud.] NOT saying the shroud is fake or is not fake; NYT + CNN,CBS is known for fake......... Much better evidence than shroud with all the supernatural modern healings+ healing with doctors/without doctors......................................................................... Good points on proof
I don't know if there is any historical evidence but you can surely do your research and find out. Good luck.
Jesus existed or not is all on our faith. But I don’t know why some people have a problem with this too. If you are an atheist and you don't believe in god, keep it to yourself. Don’t go out and ask for proof from the one who has faith in god. Don’t dig out the old history just because you are not satisfied with it. Live and let others live peacefully.
Well as far as I have read and heard, there is no evidence which is physical or I should say archaeological that proves the birth or death of Jesus. Whatever is available as proof are only stories or documents. These could be the writings in Christanity or gospels. All these were scripted after Jesus had died.
It would be very hard to provide physical evidence of anyone's birth from so long ago. Archaeologists and historians believe they know who some of the kings and rulers were and some of the wars that took place around 2,000 years ago. But the point could be made that to prove any of it would require belief in very old documents and artifacts and nobody alive today was there to see it, so how do we really know any of it happened as recorded? God has actually provided more proof that Jesus is Who He said He was than there has ever been for any other historical figure. God provided us with a written testimony spanning centuries and many, many different authors, which foretold, in detail, aspects of Jesus' Person, birth, death and even resurrection. Romans 1:1-3, a book in the New Testament, states that Jesus was promised in the Scriptures before He came. Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God— the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures regarding his Son... No one else in history, to my knowledge, has such a record of having had so many prophecies given, by those who claimed God had led them directly to write what they wrote. And no one else has come close to fulfilling specific prophecies like these. Yet even with so much evidence, most people would rather believe more in the historicity of the Roman Emperor than they would in the proof of prophecies fulfilled. Here are some links to anyone who wants to see for themselves. I'm also including some excerpts: https://jewsforjesus.org/jewish-resources/messianic-prophecy/ Messiah will die before AD 70 According to the Jewish Scriptures, the Messiah will come before the temple is destroyed. The Second Temple was destroyed in AD 70 which logically means that if God’s promises to send a redeemer to Israel may trusted, then the Messiah must have come before its destruction. Throughout the Jewish Scriptures, the Messiah is referred to as “the root of Jesse” (Isaiah 11:10), one who will reign on the “throne of David” (Isaiah 9:7, Jeremiah 17:25; 22:2, 4, and 30), along with other titles describing his role and Davidic lineage. The only text in the Jewish Bible where the term haMashiach (the Messiah) is found is in Daniel 9:24-26: You must know and understand: From the issuance of the word to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the anointed leader [Messiah] is seven weeks; and sixty-two weeks it will be rebuilt . . . in a time of distress. And after those sixty-two weeks, the anointed one [Messiah] will disappear and vanish. The army of a leader who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. (Daniel 9:25-26, JPS) Context of Daniel’s prophetic writing Daniel was a young man when he was taken to Babylon (modern day Iraq) by Nebuchadnezzar in 586 BC. At the time, Nebuchadnezzar destroyed the First Temple, and carried most of the inhabitants into exile. In chapter 9, Daniel is now an old man and asks God when the city of Jerusalem, and the temple (sanctuary) will be rebuilt. God answers Daniel through a prophecy. He is given a chronology of events. These are the sequence of events described in Daniel 9: (1) the temple will be rebuilt in times of trouble, (2) the Messiah will arrive, (3) the Messiah will be cut off or be killed, and (4) after his death, Jerusalem and the temple will be destroyed by an army. The Hebrew word translated “anointed” is the word mashiach. This word is used generically in the Bible to describe one who has been anointed. However, in this passage it is describing a promised royal king or prince מָשִׁיחַ נָגִיד mashiach nagid who is to come. The passage says that King Messiah will be cut down or destroyed: יִכָּרֵת מָשִׁיחַ וְאֵין לֹו Yikarat mashiach v’ein lo https://www.jesusfilm.org/blog-and-stories/old-testament-prophecies.html 24. The Messiah will have a throne that is everlasting Prophecy: "In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed" (Daniel 7:13–14). Fulfillment: "You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob's descendants forever; his kingdom will never end" (Luke 1:31–33). 25. The Messiah will bring an end to sin Prophecy: "Seventy 'sevens' are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place" (Daniel 9:24). Fulfillment: "Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed" (Daniel 9:25–26). "Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, who gave himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen" (Galatians 1:3–5). https://www.blueletterbible.org/Com...-fulfill-the-prophecies-about-the-messiah.cfm Summary – Question 4 Did Jesus Fulfill the Prophecies about the Messiah? Jesus Christ claimed that the Old Testament, or Hebrew Scriptures, spoke of Him. Indeed, He claimed to have fulfilled the predictions of the coming Messiah. The evidence says that He did indeed do this. Jesus told the religious leaders to search the Scriptures and discover where they spoke about Him. From the Old Testament we find that the coming Messiah was to be born in one particular family. This would be through Shem, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah, and David. The New Testament is clear that Jesus was a descendant of David. This means that Jesus was born in the proper family to have the credentials of the Messiah. The Old Testament prophet Micah predicted the Messiah would be born in the small town of Bethlehem. Matthew tells us that Jesus was born in Bethlehem. Again, Jesus fulfilled that which was predicted. Daniel the prophet said the Messiah would be killed before the city of Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed. This assumes that the Messiah would come and that the city and temple would again be destroyed. Daniel was correct. Jesus Christ came upon the scene of history before the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple. He was crucified about forty years before they were destroyed. We note that the prophecies that Jesus fulfilled were fulfilled literally. He was a literal descendant of David, literally born in Bethlehem, and literally died before the city and temple were destroyed. Furthermore, these three lines of prophecy were all fulfilled by Jesus’ birth. There is no way, humanly speaking, that He could have deliberately fulfilled them. Yet Jesus fulfilled them as they were written. In sum, the coming of the Messiah was predicted in the Old Testament. Jesus fulfilled these prophecies and, in doing so, has the right to claim to be the promised Messiah. https://jewsforjesus.org/answers/top-40-most-helpful-messianic-prophecies/ 13) The Messiah would be pierced Hebrew Scriptures reference: Zechariah 12:10 New Testament citations: Matthew 24:30, John 19:31-37, Revelation 1:7 Commentary: In Zechariah 12 we find a prophecy of Judah’s victory over the nations—a victory possible because God has extended his protection to them. At that time also, according to verse 10, a “spirit of grace” will come on the people as they look on (apparently) God himself, “whom they have pierced,” and as they are mourning “as one weeps over a firstborn.”
"There are no birth records, no trial transcripts, no death certificates; there are no expressions of interest, no heated slanders, no passing references - nothing. In fact, if we broaden our field of concern to the years after his [supposed] death - even if we include the entire first century of the Common Era - there is not so much as a solitary reference to Jesus in any non-Christian, non-Jewish source of any kind. I should stress that we do have a large number of documents from the time - the writings of poets, philosophers, historians, scientists, and government officials, for example, not to mention the large collection of surviving inscriptions on stone and private letters and legal documents on papyrus. In none of this vast array of surviving writings is Jesus’ name ever so much as mentioned.”
A great authority on Jesus is Lee Strobel. Former atheist journalist for the Chicago Tribune. A wrote a great book called Case for Christ, but just check out his youtubes. Also check out youtube by Warner Wallace, a former atheist and cold case detective who came to the conclusion that the gospels are eyewitness accounts of Jesus. It's compelling stuff.
"Several books point out flaws in the Biblical research and archeology cited by Strobel, including 'The Case Against the Case for Christ', by New Testament scholar Robert Price, and 'Challenging the Verdict' by Earl Doherty. True believers may be persuaded, but few serious antiquities scholars or educated skeptics take Strobel’s work seriously. Even so, one might argue that Strobel assembled bad evidence in good conscience. You’re not so sure. Why not? [...] Strobel has cultivated a thoroughly bogus image that he happily encourages readers to embrace. His fan base is led to believe he was a diehard atheist who was converted by these interviews. In reality, he was a lapsed Lutheran who became a pastor at a mega-church." https://valerietarico.com/2019/03/2...erview-with-religion-critic-david-fitzgerald/
None of those claims by "scholars" amount to much. They can claim all they want that they don't see the evidence, but THEY CANNOT TAKE AWAY THE EVIDENCE THAT THE OLD TESTAMENT CLEARLY STATES THAT WE HAVE A SIN PROBLEM BETWEEN US AND GOD AND GOD WOULD SEND A SAVIOR. THE EVIDENCE IS THAT IT WAS WRITTEN BEFORE IT HAPPENED. THAT IS ALL THE PROOF ONE NEEDS TO KNOW THAT THE BIBLICAL MESSAGE IS TRUE. The first book of the Bible, Genesis, records that immediately after Adam and Eve chose to disobey God, God promised that One would come who would destroy Satan, yet Himself be bruised in the process. Satan "bruised" Jesus at the cross. Jesus died, yet was resurrected. Satan will ultimately be defeated by Jesus, by cast into an eternity in hell, which he will never recover from. Countless other scriptures in the Old Testament point to the need for a Savior from sin. The animal sacrifices were a constant reminder the need for sin to be atoned for. The passover was a picture of how the blood of the sacrifice of the lambs kept those safe inside, that God would "passover" and spare those inside, but those without the blood of the lamb painted on the doorway of the house, would not be passed over. It's a picture, given about 1,500 years before Jesus actually died so that when God "sees the blood" He will pass over the believer in Jesus and not come into judgment. Unbelieving scholars say whatever they want to say, but over and over there are scriptures in the Old Testament that foretold of Jesus and what He would do, before He did it. https://www.gotquestions.org/protoevangelium.html Genesis 3:15 says, “I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.” This is known as the protoevangelium—the first gospel. The verse introduces two elements previously unknown in the Garden of Eden, elements that are the basis of Christianity—the curse on mankind because of Adam’s sin and God’s provision for a Savior from sin who would take the curse upon Himself. Verse 14 makes it clear that God is speaking to the serpent whom He curses to crawl on his belly and “eat dust” all his days. In verse 15, God switches from condemning the serpent to the one who inhabited it, Satan. He curses Satan to be forever at war against mankind, depicted as the seed or offspring of the woman. The woman in question is in a general sense Eve herself, all of whose offspring would forever be harassed by Satan and his minions. Sin enters the human race at this point, and the ravages of sin and its consequences reverberate down to us today. We inherit sin and the sin nature from Adam, and we suffer for it continually. The enmity—the hostility and hatred—of men and demons, between whom the warfare still continues, begins here. Evil angels and also wicked men are called serpents, and even a brood of vipers (Matthew 3:7), and they war against the people of God, the seed of the church, who are hated and persecuted by them, and so it has been ever since this affair in the Garden. More specifically, the offspring of the woman refers to Jesus Christ, who was born of a woman. The “enmity” or hostility and hatred spoken of here is between Satan and Christ. The seed of the serpent, evil men and demonic forces, struck at the heel of the Savior when Judas, the Pharisees, the rabble, and the Romans, conspired to condemn Jesus to be crucified. But His wound was not the final act. He rose the third day, having paid the price for the sin of all who would ever believe in Him. The ultimate victory was His, and He crushed the head of Satan, removing forever his rule over man. The power of Christ would destroy Satan and all his principalities and powers, confound all his schemes, and ruin all his works. The power of the cross would crush Satan’s whole empire, strip him of his authority (particularly his power over death), and his tyranny over the bodies and souls of men. All this was done by the incarnate Christ when He suffered and died for the souls of men (Hebrews 2:14–15). Because of what Jesus did on the cross, he “crushed” the devil’s head, defeating him forever. The protoevangelium shows us that God always had the plan of salvation in mind, and informed us of His plan as soon as sin entered the world. “The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work” (1 John 3:8).