What is the historical evidence that Jesus Christ lived and died?

Discussion in 'Religion and Spirituality' started by OddTrader, Apr 14, 2017.

  1. %%
    Faith is the title deed, Hebrew 11;1 Amplified Bible says.If you never saW a title deed its because you want to rent, indeed.And God's name is never spelled with a little ''g'' ; that IS a false god + big difference.You may want to change your nickname or change your nature??:caution::caution:,:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool: Thanks for you reply...........................................................................
     
    #301     Jan 6, 2020
  2. Good1

    Good1

    Yah why rent a room in an insane asylum when you can brag about owning the whole structure and the land it sits on?

    Where else would a good offense be a good defense?
     
    #302     Jan 6, 2020
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  3. OK;
    IF you are in an insane rubber room, i would not blame you for buying in that.
    My main point is; faith is the title deed, as Hebrews 11;1 Amplified Bible says.But like they say in real estate ; location, location, location...............................................................................................................................................
     
    #303     Jan 6, 2020
  4. Good1

    Good1

    Book of Hebrews? An anonymous Jewish perspective on the historicity of Jesus somehow trumps what I'm saying about the insidiouness of faith by insisting upon the sacredness of faith? Where is the book of Pharisees? How is that better ?

    The book of Hebrews? This is actually the core grimiore (has a good location within) within a very dark collection of black magic books (the first book condemns knowledge) that glorify faith and with it cast spells that cannot fly in the light of the broad daylight of knowledge.

    Spells depend on repeat, repeat, and did I mention repeating over and over? Spells also depend on details: one eye of newt...two tails of salamander and a partridge in a pear tree . Details lend credence to otherwise unbelievable tales. Hebrews uses details to explain how a god is like a lamb and how the blood of the lamb is a good thing.

    Hebrews ADMITS it offers all this in the spirit of faith as if that was a good thing. Before it takes you down this primrose path it tells you how good faith is and how it provides you with the real estate ground upon which you stand (before it tempts you to take title deed of the grounds).

    Having established the sacredness of faith it ( the black book) would have you believe some otherwise very ridiculous conclusions about the historicity of Jesus. Such is the nature of faith : it crucifies anything and everything that is actually good and substitutes the substance of its own seditious sacrilege as blood fit to drink.

    This offense is the best defense you have for continuing to rent a room in an insane asylum telling anyone who will listen that you own the place. Oh it's rubber? Yah but it's the finest of all rubbers in the world !

    The light of knowledge dispells the darkness of such spells. This is the actual "gospel" : (the dispelling of spells).
     
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    #304     Jan 6, 2020
  5. Good1

    Good1

    The small "g" god is used in reference to the god of this world...the one that actually makes it and runs it. It is considered "good" by those denizens of such a world who retain loyalty to it, mainly for what it offers them.

    Those offering loyalty to such a god cannot imagine...dare not imagine any better god...or anything that is more "good" than what makes a world for them and offers title deed to portions of it in reward for the currency value of faith (belief).

    But I can imagine something much better that I would consider actually "good" . For that I reserve the capital "G" prefering simply to call it Good to distinguish it from the more common "god" of this world which is missing something vital that would actually make it "good".

    So if you see me using the term "Good" (with a capital "G" out of respect for its existence as a Living Being), it is in reference to a living being that is greater than the god (or gods/elohim) that hebrew priests have said made the world of man and monkeys.

    Not one Christian believes in the Good that I offer to a knowledge base, preferring faith-based solutions instead.

    Not one Christian can even imagine anything more good than the god that grants them real estate upon its sacred faith-based grounds notwithstanding the vast real estate called the "body" (or "flesh") composed of zillions of nano particles in constant flux and change temporarily holding an appearance for its believers until they change one last time (die).

    To believe in the Good that I offer you all you have to do is look higher for better solutions. All you have to do is raise your standards of what is considered "good" at all.

    Im not asking you to look lower like Stu...or Mickey mouse...just higher . Raise the eyes of justice higher. (Actually Stu has a higher sense of justice than Christian s).

    Meanwhile the faith that makes hell what it is turns up to down, in to out, light to dark, life to death, sin to salvation and visa versa ad infinite nauseum turning good to evil and evil to good. (Next thing you know we're drinking gods blood as if that's a good thing). Nobody in hell knows what's good anymore, each having his own opinion what is good...gnashing the teeth of opinion.

    Just raise the standard and don't settle for lesser temptations to take title of tall tales.

    The only way for there to be a good Good is for this world (built on faith and built upon the rejection of knowledge) to have been a voluntary construct of our own design (this explains our loyalty to it) which functions, in the end of its path, to condemn ourselves to a pig sty (a colloqialism to describe hell).

    For there to be a good Good we have to have done this to ourselves without the consent of a good Good. We have to have "made" (not created) the material worlds of our own accord, with our own power, and condemned ourselves to abide within it.

    This is essentially the attitude taken by Jesus who, in taking responsibility for the making of the world, is seen to be the "god" of it. But taking responsibility is not anything to boast of. It's actually a confession of sin...and a very necessary confession to make if one would qualify for forgiveness. Not one Christian will confess this sin contrary to the example set by Jesus.

    I'm not a Christian because like Jesus, I confess to my own complicity in the design, making, and fashioning of this idol...i mean this "world" (world sounds so much more respectable than the IDOL it actually is). I made it as an "image" of Good using my imagination (faith). Like Jesus, I don't give worship or respect to the faith within my mind that has fashioned it's design. I call it "hell" to deliberately disrespect it....reserving respect for that which is actually Good.


    If we confess to the sin of its making we then quality to escape what we've made (overcome the world). Till then we will remain bound as prisoners in hell with the keys in our own pockets.

    To those that value hell for what it offers, such a Good is evil...as well anyone claiming to be equal in power to that Good (like Jesus) to be destroyed at all costs by every means possible at the hands of the neo-Pharisees who see the death of the knowledge I offer as their own salvation.
     
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    HUH?? As if if you know more that Genesis 1;1?? IN the beginning God [capital G] { prepared, formed +fashioned} and created the heavens + the earth...........................................Amplified Classic Bible [Period; I put some more periods for your clarity, G1/200 LOL]
     
    #306     Jan 8, 2020
  7. maxinger

    maxinger

    What is the historical evidence that Jesus Christ lived and died?

    ought to be changed to

    What is the historical evidence that Jesus Christ died and lived?


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  8. stu

    stu

    Zombies.
     
    #308     Jan 8, 2020
  9. Good1

    Good1

    When Jesus said the devil is a liar since the "beginning" he meant that from the word " beginning" in the Hebrew folklore literature everything after that was a lie. Actually the phrase "in the beginning" is a lie too so everything from the first sentence onward is a lie as if the book itself were the devil to which Jesus made a paternity correlation with those who most cultivated curated and promulgated its contents For example: anyone who traced their genealogy from it.

    The reason is because in truth there is no beginning . That is, "in Christ" (in the reality of a Good god"s world ) there is no such thing as a beginning because Christ/Good is eternal.

    So what the hell is this beginning?

    Well the only world that begins is a world completely antithetical to the eternal nature of Christ/Good. What world would that be? How about a world completely lacking in truth? How about a made up world? How about a fake news world? Some of us call it "hell" while others of us call it "CNN" (pronounced "sin").

    You see, the traditional Hebrew folklore is like propaganda in a war against the truth (by extension a war against Christ) the first casualty of war being the truth. In other words, for a false world to live a true world must die just as a false narrative lives only as the true narrative dies in a war of words. But a war of words is just a precursor to a hot war hence the truth is the "first casualty".

    Now if you are willing to equate Christ with the truth then you must conclude that there is no beginning ever...for anything...except a lie. This is why I have told Stu that all history is a lie (not real) and therefore any stories about the "birth" of Christ (which has no beginning) are also propaganda especially the tracing of genealogy which Jesus vociferously condemned.

    Meaning: all beginnings (including "birth") are a "lie"...and such beginnings can only "live" (have long legs) in a world completely lacking in truth.

    When Jesus challenged the lies and the liars who lied them he was eventually silenced (put to death). However it's hard to keep a good message down and it will just keep resurrecting itself over and over again until the truth prevails.

    This is why I have said the bible is for philosophical sophomores . It obscures the obvious and accepts cognitive dissonance as the norm.

    The cognitive dissonance is symbolized by the "tree of the knowledge of both good and evil". Anyone who eats (believes in) the ability to mix opposites together will be psychologically poisoned and die.

    The cognitive dissonance is most manifest in the propaganda that says what has no beginning (Christ) has now a beginning (a "birth")....and goes on to say that what is 100% Good is now also 100% "man" (a pseudonym for evil incarnate)....that Spirit has somehow transubstantiated into flesh. Indeed, this is rat poison for the mind and it's this cognitive dissonance that kills the body.

    By "kills the body" I mean cognitive dissonance is the beginning of all CHANGE (death=change). Indeed it is because of cognitive dissonance that the body ("flesh") comes into appearance as something that exists (lives). But this is an "appearance" and not a reality. The flesh is in constant flux changing before our eyes and if change is death and visa versa then we are the "living dead" so-to-speak, "dead burying the dead".

    If all death is change and all change is death then death and birth are the same thing: change. This is the epitome of cognitive dissonance which gives birth to a world with a "beginning"...and if you eat of its fruit you will keep changing (keep dying).

    A world that begins must depend on the death of any world that has no beginning (Christ is Christ's entire world). If Christ is the original world then what the hell is this new world order?

    So you see, the death of Jesus is just symbolic of a much bigger galactic battle...where one world is trying to establish dominance over the former...where an imposter is trying to impersonate the original condition/thing/Being. Hence what I've said about reverse pantheism.

    Any world that begins must also have an end because such a world depends on constant change. Finally change will catch up to it changing change itself back to changelessness (Christ). What lives by change will also die by change.

    Having understood all this, and having no cognitive dissonance in his mind, Jesus was able to toy with such concepts of birth and death and demonstrate that neither are real or permanent....or true.

    Thus, philosophical seniors can easily cognize that the historicity of Jesus does not matter as much as understanding what the parable means. The parable is neither true nor false . The parable itself is not worthy of or even in need of belief. What is worthy is the understanding (knowledge) of how Jesus was able to toy (make child's play) of such profound concepts as death...and pain.

    Indeed, Jesus felt no pain upon the cross. The cross is itself a parable that tells the story about the beginning of the bible world which begins with the death of the truth (the first casualty of war). His re-emergance from the "tomb" is a parable that tells us how the "beginning" ends.
     
    #309     Jan 8, 2020
  10. Overnight

    Overnight

    There are some folks 'round these parts that need a reminder of the truth of the human condition. This short blurb from Nikos Kazantzakis reveals all.

     
    #310     Jan 17, 2020